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« on: March 22, 2005, 02:12:12 AM »

LNSG condemns modern society in school shooting

by Steve Martinez
Tue, Mar. 22, 2005
Nationalist News Network

AUSTIN, TX (NNN) - The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party, on whose messageboard Jeff Weise posted one year before shooting people at his Minnesota high school, today refused to wring hands over a "tragedy," instead pointing out that such events are to be expected when thinking people are crammed into an unthinking, irrational modern society. According to the LNSG, the school shooting itself is not our failure; society is our failure, and the school shooting is a symptom.

"We knew [Weise] briefly through 34 posts he made on the forum," said LNSGP forum administrator Atem. "He expressed himself well and was clearly highly intelligent and contemplative, especially for one so young." Weise participated in the forum in part because, unlike "white nationalist" or "white power" movements, the LNSG embraces all races as part of its vision of world nationalism. His statements on the site reflected a frustration with the populist politics and materialistic arrogance of modern society.

Weise most clearly expressed his philosophy in the following statement of frustration with the raceless, cultureless void of liberal industrial society: "The Natives you've known to be sympathetic to the cause are probably ones who've experienced firsthand what kind of problems cultural and race mixing can cause. As a result of cultural dominance and interracial mixing there are barely any full blooded Natives left. Where I live less than 1% of all the people on the Reservation can speak their own language, and among the youth wanting to be black has run rampant. Under a National Socialist government, things for us would improve vastly... That is, if we haven't already become too soft from the way this materialistic life-style has made us, and that is why I am pro-Nazi. It's hard though, being a Native American National Socialist; people are so misinformed, ignorant, and closed-minded it makes your life a living hell."

National Socialism is a philosophy that, unlike the beliefs of modern society which are founded in material technology and abstract moral ideas about what should be, is based in the realism of nature. Each tribe must separate itself genetically from all others in order to survive, as otherwise it is assimilated; further, National Socialism recognizes that the individual comes second to the collective, comprising both human society and the natural environment that supports it. As a result, National Socialists are willing to engage in eugenics, racial separation and removal of elements hostile to a healthy society.

Modern society, in contrast, is based around the belief that the individual alone is supreme - a belief system that finds no opposition among the masses, who often fear their own inadequacies. Such societies turn toward liberal democracy, and thus permit public image manipulation to determine their course, while behind the scenes an oligarchy of the international wealthy manipulate politics and social trends for their own profit. The result is widespread environmental destruction, loss of ethnic-cultural heritage, a dysgenic program of rewarding the most subservient, and dominion by mass tastes that contradicts any thought of doing what is right for the whole.

Modernity is insane. The constraints of modern societies like the United States prevent the individual from publically acclaiming National Socialism or any other non-modernist solution without fear of losing jobs, friends and potential mates through social alienation. For this reason, the thinking individual is forced into a desperate position of seeing the downfall of our civilization at hand, but is prevented from speaking up unless that individual is willing to sacrifice his or her life for an impoverished, isolated existence, jail time, or suicide.

The school shooting in Red Lake, Minnesota will surprise no one who is familiar with this condition. Modernity is the root cause, and there are many symptoms of its effects, including school and workplace shootings, racial conflict, and ecoterrorism. The LNSG encourages all who are emotionally affected by today's events to embark on a course of changing modern society instead of blaming Jeff Weise or others who have brought this problem to your attention.

About the LNSG

The LNSG recognizes that modern, liberal democratic industrial society is the cause of its own enduring and pervasive problems. We believe in a resurrection of traditional values, including naturalism and nationalism, in order to end domination by material motivation and the "empowerment" of the individual. Our party operates at this time as a think tank for environmentalist and nationalist ideals, and can be found online at www.nazi.org.

About Nationalism

Nationalism is the belief that for diversity to exist, each ethnic-cultural grouping of human beings must isolate itself to prevent assimilation by the mass of cultureless proletariat produced by industrial society. It encourages a return to pre-industrial revolution traditional values, including a demotion of the individual to status as a method of achieving goals, and not a goal in itself.

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Archive of NativeNazi's posts:
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Eerie Parallels Are Seen to Shootings at Columbine
By JODI WILGOREN - NY Times

In 34 postings to www.nazi.org, a forum operated by the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party, that the authorities said Tuesday they were investigating for hints to motive, someone identifying himself as Jeff Weise, a high school student on the Red Lake Indian Reservation, expressed frustration at the lack of racial purity and pride among his people. Calling himself "NativeNazi" or "Todesengel," German for "angel of death," Mr. Weise said he had found few sympathizers for his racial views and had sometimes been persecuted for them. "I already had a fist fight with a communist not too long ago over me being what I am (I also won), but it was worth it," he wrote on May 26 at 2:27 a.m.

In another post, Mr. Weise complained that "less than 1 percent of all the people on the reservation can speak their own language," and said that his peers eschewed their culture to emulate rappers. He said his parents were American Indians, but that he had German, Irish and French-Canadian ancestry as well, and that when he had spoken of the need for his tribe to have "more pure bloods" he was called a racist.

Mr. Weise also frequently contributed to stories about zombies on an Internet forum called "Rise of the Dead," according to The Associated Press. Parston Graves Jr., a Red Lake student, told The A.P. that Mr. Weise had displayed a sketch of a guitar-strumming skeleton captioned, "March to the death song 'til your boots fill with blood," in class, and had shown off his drawings of people shooting each other.

Paul Viollis, author of the 2001 book "Avoiding Violence in Our Schools," said "the Nazi issue is a collateral issue," a way for someone not on the football team or in the popular clique to find an identity. "This individual found some type of solace," he said.

People who monitor neo-Nazi groups said the Libertarian forum frequented by Mr. Weise is a little-known Internet-only organization with no known links to violence, whose niche is to welcome people of all races who oppose race-mixing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/23/national/23rampage.html?

Behind the Why of a Rampage, Loner With a Taste for Nazism
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/23/national/23shoot.html?8br

>>He was a loner, in part, by happenstance, his parents having vanished from his life because of quieter tragedies. Emily Parkhurst, who like many other residents of the Red Lake Indian Reservation knew nearly everyone killed or hurt in the shootings, said Mr. Weise's father shot himself to death four years ago. Not long after that, Mr. Weise's mother was in a serious car accident that left her using a wheelchair and living in a nursing home.

"It was a lot to handle for a kid with no one to guide him or help him," Ms. Parkhurst said. "Nobody took the time to get to know him either."

Investigators say they are now trying to learn all they can about Mr. Weise, 16, to figure out why he killed his grandfather and his grandfather's companion, then drove to Red Lake High School and killed a security guard, a teacher and five students before killing himself. Seven students were wounded, some of them shot in the head or the chest.

Among the areas of inquiry the Federal Bureau of Investigation is likely to pursue is a neo-Nazi Web forum on which someone identifying himself as Jeff Weise left messages, including one saying he was being accused of threatening to "shoot up" the school on Hitler's birthday, April 20, in 2004.<<
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Associated Press
School shooter liked to create macabre drawings and stories
by AMY FORLITI

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/politics/11198353.htm


NBC, MSNBC and news services


BEMIDJI, Minn. - A troubling profile of the teenager who shot dead nine people emerged on Tuesday — one of a Native American who allegedly described himself as a "NativeNazi" and who other students said was regularly picked on for his odd behavior.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7259823/

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Minneapolis Star Tribune
An Internet trail of a boy's death wish
In the last few months of his life, Jeff Weise was obsessed with death.

The clues are sprinkled along a long trail the troubled 16-year-old boy left on Internet websites, blogs and postings where he weighed in on everything from Hitler and Bigfoot to suicide attempts and school shootings.

"They pegged me as a school shooter earlier this year," Weise wrote last year in one of the dozens of postings he made on AboveTopSecret.com, which bills itself as the world's most popular site for conspiracies, coverups, UFOs and other such topics.

On one site, he posted a short story about surviving a school shooting. On another, he illustrated a profile page with a still image from the movie "Elephant," which is based on the 1999 Columbine High School shootings.

On a third site, under the Web name "Regret," he posted a short but bloody animated video in which four people are shot and a police car is blown up with a grenade before the gunman shoots himself in the head.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7283619/

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THE BRITISH PRESS
Shooting spree student had obsession with Nazi ideology
High-school students on a Native American reservation have told how a classmate burst in on them during afternoon lessons and opened fire in the worst school shooting in the United States for six years.

Police said that 16-year-old Jeff Weise, a disaffected Native American student fascinated with Nazi ideology,
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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=622767

BBC News
Minnesota killer 'admired Hitler'
Jeff Weise, the teenager who police say shot nine people in Minnesota, was a disaffected young man who may have expressed admiration for Adolf Hitler on a neo-Nazi website.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4371803.stm

from www.timesonline.co.uk
'Nazi' student calling himself Angel of Death shoots nine dead in rampage at Red Lake
By James Bone and James Doran in Minnesota

>>Weise, a loner who usually wore black and liked Marilyn Manson music, was viewed as “weird” by fellow students and was teased a lot at school. A staff member said he had recently been suspended and was receiving instruction at home under the school’s disciplinary programme.

“He’s antisocial,” one unidentified student who had shared a class with Weise told the St Paul Pioneer Press. “In pictures he draws, his people have little hats with Nazi signs on them,” she said. Weise declared himself “a Native American National Socialist” in posts on the website of a group calling itself the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party.

In a statement on its website, the group “refused to wring hands” over the shooting and said “such events are to be expected when thinking people are crammed into an unthinking, irrational modern society”.

In his web posts, Weise described himself as “a Native American from the Red Lake Indian reservation in Minnesota” who had “stumbled across the site in my study of the Third Reich as well as Nazism, amongst other things”. <<

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1537641,00.html

School killer was admirer of Hitler
by Alec Russell in Red Lake

An American teenager who killed nine people on an Indian reservation, including five classmates and a teacher at his school, was an admirer of Hitler and had dubbed himself an "angel of death".

Weise identified himself on a neo-Nazi internet forum as "Todesengel" - German for "angel of death" - and "NativeNazi," according to the St Paul Pioneer Press.

"I've always carried a natural admiration for Hitler," Weise said on the internet.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/03/23/weise23.xml
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Minnesota Killer Chafed at Life On Reservation
Teen Faced Cultural Obstacles And Troubled Family History

By Blaine Harden and Dana Hedgpeth
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, March 25, 2005

The last time he saw a mental health professional at the Red Lake hospital was on Feb. 21, she said. She remembers the date because it was the same day he refilled his prescription for 60 milligrams a day of Prozac, which he had been taking since last summer.

Online, he seemed to be reaching out in strange directions, especially for a Native American kid. He wrote sympathetically about Hitler and grumbled about racial interbreeding among tribal members.

But there appears to have been no one in the school or on the reservation who saw the red flags.

Ethnic Hardships

A bleak mountain of federal research suggests the extraordinary risks and hardships of growing up Indian, compared with growing up as a member of any other ethnic group in the United States.

The annual average violent crime rate among Indians is twice as high as that of blacks and 2 1/2 times as high as that for whites, according to a survey last year by the Justice Department.

Indian youths commit suicide at twice the rate of other young people, according to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. The overall death rate of Indians younger than 25 is three times that of the total population in that age group.

Compared with other groups, the commission found, Indians of all ages are 670 percent more likely to die from alcoholism, 650 percent more likely to die from tuberculosis, 318 percent more likely to die from diabetes and 204 percent more likely to suffer accidental death.

And despite considerable income gains in the past 15 years, some of it because of Indian gambling operations, Native Americans remain the poorest ethnic group in the country, with about half the average income of other Americans.

When it comes to young Indians, the statistical picture here on the Red Lake reservation, home to about 5,000 tribal members, is even bleaker than the national average. A third of teenagers on this reservation are not in school, not working and not looking for work (compared with 20 percent on all reservations), according to census figures.

A survey last year by the Minnesota departments of health and education found that young people here are far more likely to think about suicide, be depressed, worry about drugs and be violent with one another than children across the state. At St. Mary's Mission School, an elementary school student recently painted a poster for her father: "Dad, don't do cocaine any more."

The state survey of ninth-graders found that at Red Lake High, 43 percent of boys and 82 percent of girls had thoughts about suicide, with 20 percent of boys and 48 percent of girls saying that they tried it at least once.

Three months ago, Weise wrote online about suicide: "I'm starting to regret sticking around, I should've taken the razor blade express last time around. . . . Well, whatever, man. Maybe they've got another shuttle comin' around sometime soon?"

Portrait of a Boy

Weise was born in Minneapolis but spent most of his first three years with his father on the reservation, his grandmother said. His parents never married, she said, and his mother took the boy back to Minneapolis when he was 3. This shuffling from reservation to city is common among Native Americans, as two-thirds of them now live in and around cities.

The boy was often unhappy with his mother. According to Gayle Downwind, a teacher on the reservation who knew Weise and whose son, Sky Grant, was one of his best friends, he was often tormented by his mother's problems with alcohol.

"When he was younger, he said he would run out of the house because there would be yelling and alcohol," she said. "He wasn't sure where he would be going. He ended up at a police station."

He did not like being on the reservation, said his friend Grant, who had Weise at his home for sleepovers nearly once a week for seven years. He refused to participate in powwows and avoided all traditional Indian activities, Grant said.

At school, he was an indifferent student. Peers teased him about his black outfits and his ungainly bulk (well over 200 pounds), and he often became agitated in class. He failed eighth grade and was required to take a nonacademic class, making wigwams, growing wild rice and doing other traditional activities. His friend's mother, Downwind, was his teacher.

"He wasn't doing any work," she said. "He didn't function academically. He just sat there and drew pictures."

Grant called all of Weise's drawings "dark," saying, "He drew pictures of war, people getting shot."

Seventeen days before the shooting, Weise brought a videotape of the movie "Elephant," based on the killings at Columbine High, to Grant's house and insisted that they fast-forward to the shooting scenes. "He liked the gore," Grant said.

When the gory part was over, Grant said, Weise got up and went to his grandmother's house. He said he was going home to get his medication and gave the impression that he would be right back. He never came back, and that was the last time Grant saw him.

Whatever the trigger might have been for Weise to turn fantasy in action, it was not apparent to the people he lived with -- his grandmother, an aunt and a 15-year-old cousin.

At noon on the day of the shootings, his grandmother returned home for lunch and found Weise sitting on the couch in the living room, eating a turkey sandwich and drawing. When she came home again at 3, he was gone. He did not leave note.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64315-2005Mar24.html
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For his 2005 class photo, Jeff Weise, top center, fashioned his hair into horns. Other students teased him for his size. Last summer, his grandmother said, he began taking Prozac. "He wasn't doing any work," a former teacher recalled. "He didn't function academically. He just sat there and drew pictures."
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Relatives: Did meds play a role?
Chuck Haga,  Star Tribune
March 25, 2005
Weise's relatives "knew he had a problem with depression, and they took him to treatment," Cook said. "He was getting counseling." His medication dosage had been increased a week earlier, Cook added.

His grandmother, Shelda Lussier, 54, said he saw a mental health professional at Red Lake Hospital on Feb. 21, the same day his prescription was refilled for 60 milligrams a day of Prozac, which he had been taking since last summer, the Washington Post reported.

Studies have linked Prozac and similar antidepressants to a greater risk of suicidal thoughts and behavior in kids. In October, the Food and Drug Administration revised the drugs' packaging to warn health professionals that they should closely monitor young patients when an antidepressant is prescribed or the dose is changed.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5312255.html

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Newsday.com
Shooter 'tapped into a world of hate'

... But an article on the organization's Web site Tuesday confirmed Weise had joined its forums, but "refused to wring hands over a 'tragedy' instead pointing out that such events are to be expected ... "

Marilyn Mayo, of the Anti-Defamation League, said the organization has existed for several years, has no known headquarters, and provides a forum for its supporters only through the Internet.

Anti-Defamation League national director Abraham Foxman called Weise's postings "sad and ironic."

"Hitler is about as far removed from an Indian kid on a reservation in Minnesota as the moon," Foxman said.

In one posting, Weise mentioned he had been blamed for "a threat on the school I attend," but does not indicate any intention of committing the shootings. Still, Foxman said, "he clearly felt empowered. ... He had tapped into a whole world of hate."
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usshot0323,0,3717637,print.story?coll=ny-leadnationalnews-headlines

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Knight Ridder Newspapers:
Internet postings shed light on teen's inner turmoil
by DAVID HANNERS AND BETH SILVER

© 2005, St. Paul Pioneer Press (St. Paul, Minn.).

ST. PAUL, Minn. - (KRT) - Kim Desjarlait wondered Wednesday how the nephew she knew as polite and happy when he lived in the Twin Cities could have killed nine people and himself on a northern reservation.

Cyberspace confessionals attributed to Jeff Weise provided answers dating back to the supposedly happy childhood he found almost too painful to address.

One posting claimed that before she suffered a debilitating injury in a car crash, Weise's mother struck him often "with anything she could get her hands on," drank excessively and told him his birth was "a mistake."

"She would say so many things that its hard to deal with them or think of them without crying," the teen wrote before the Red Lake rampage.

As authorities try to figure out why Weise turned violent, the Internet offered possible clues - in contrast to his aunt's impressions.

While many postings were attributed to Weise or e-mail addresses friends said he used, the anonymity of the Internet does allow one person to use another's name. However, the postings linked to Weise appear consistent in content, style and language, and they contain personal data confirmed through other means.

"16 years of accumulated rage suppressed by nothing more than brief glimpses of hope, which have all but faded to black," he wrote in an undated personal biography on one Web site. "I can feel the urges within slipping through the cracks, the leash I can no longer hold ..."

With so many dark postings surfacing and being attributed to Weise, FBI spokesman Paul McCabe said the agency is aware of their potential importance in helping understand a mass murderer's frame of mind.

McCabe, who is based in Minneapolis, said the agency will subpoena the records of Internet service providers to authenticate or disprove authorship.

"Anyone can post anything under any name they want," McCabe said, explaining that the FBI nevertheless is very interested in the content of any postings that can be verified as coming from Weise.

Though the teen's slide toward violence was apparent in comments he made and the drawings he showed to classmates, his aunt puzzled over when and why he lost his way.

"Jeff was a really good kid," Desjarlait said in an interview. "I felt that he was a bright kid. He loved to draw. He loved to play video games. He loved to go out and eat. He was a really polite kid. Any time he wanted something or needed something, he always asked for it."

Weise was acquainted with pain and sorrow. His father, Darryl "Baby Dash" Lussier, committed suicide in 1997 and his mother, Joanne Weise, was left brain damaged by a car accident in 1999.

At the time of the accident, Jeff Weise was living with his mother and two aunts in Shakopee, Minn. After it happened, his mother divorced and the boy moved back to the Red Lake reservation and moved in with his grandfather, Darryl Lussier Sr., Desjarlait said.

Desjarlait said she had wanted Jeff Weise to stay with her family in Shakopee.

"It was never explained to us what was going on," she said. "All we knew was he was going back to Red Lake and going to stay with his grandparents."

She said she saw the boy later during short visits and "he didn't seem like he had changed."

"That's why I just don't understand what happened when he headed to Red Lake," she said. "It had to be that he didn't want to be there. He did not feel like he fit in."

In an online posting last year, Weise said he was on anti-depressants, was seeing a therapist and had attempted suicide by slitting his wrists. He said the cuts "are gonna turn into beautiful scars some day."

Such journals and discussion board entries were sometimes thoughtful, often cryptic and only occasionally hopeful. One thing permeated all the writings: a great, weighty darkness.

"I sacrifice no more for others, part of me has f---ing died and I hate this s--t," read a Jan. 27 entry. "I'm living every mans nightmare and that single fact alone is kicking my ass, I really must be f---ing worthless. ..."

The writings show a youth who seemed to revel in his anger and trouble.

When he did reveal details, they were riveting. The administrator of an online forum catering to zombie lore posted some undated excerpts of private messages he said were from Weise.

One referred to the traffic accident that left Weise's mother brain-damaged.

"My mom got drunk one night and wrecked her car and had to relearn how to tie her shoes, I was too young to fight back or too young to stick up for myself without getting struck down when this was happening."

Another addressed life as if it were a dead-end street in a bad neighborhood.

"I'm nothin' but your average Native American stoner," it said. "I'm mellow half the time, mostly natural, but mostly drug induced as well. I'm not a junkie, or an alcoholic, MJ is my gal' of choice. Enough about that though, I don't know why you're reading this anyway. I'm gonna roll this joint so I'll c'ya later ..."

A private message on the zombie-related site said:

"I have friends, but I'm basically a loner inside a group of loners. Most of my friends don't know the real me, I've never shared my past with anyone, and I've never talked about it with anyone. I'm excluded from anything and everything they do, I'm never invited, I don't even know why they consider me a friend or I them ..."

Entries in his online journal, "Thoughts of a Dreamer," provide a sense of someone on a mental slide; even the photo chosen to adorn the journal was of Nirvana, whose founder, Kurt Cobain, committed suicide in 1994.

The first entry, written Dec. 14, introduces "my new journal, in which I will put my thoughts down to words. My view on the days past events and whatnot, my two cents on the world in general."

Weise invited readers to visit a message board for the band he played in, named 6sik6. He played guitar, but it could not immediately be determined if 6sik6 got beyond garage-band dreams.

"We haven't heard of the band, and we have heard of most local bands," said Larry Overbeek, who runs Overbeek Electronics and Music in Bemidji, a half-hour's drive south of the Red Lake reservation where Weise lived.

"We're the only ones around here who have live entertainment and we ain't never heard of that band here," said Bob Lind at the Hard Times Saloon in Bemidji. He said there are few places for teen bands to play in the area.

In his various posts, he talks about listening to music - The Beatles' "Strawberry Fields Forever," Johnny Cash's "When the Man Comes Around," and he said he liked "classic rock."

The next journal entry, dated Jan. 4, alludes to suicide, and Weise says he regrets not doing it sooner.

"I'm starting to regret sticking around," he said. "I should've taken the razor blade express last time around. ... Well, whatever, man. Maybe they've got another shuttle comin' around sometime soon?"

An autobiography on a Web site that was last updated in June included this entry from Weise under "Latest News:"

"On anti-depressants. Seeing a therapist ..."

Favorite hobbies were listed as "Drawing, Listening to Music. Chillin. Getting high. Being a smart kid. Being a Native American National Socialist."

In another journal, Weise's depression bleeds through.

"The instrument of my resurrection was supposed to be freedom," said his Jan. 4 entry. "But there isn't an open sky or endless field to be found where I reside, nor is there light or salvation to be discovered. Right about now, I feel as low as I ever have. I don't think it's a big secret why, really. My biggest disappointment and downfall came from what was supposed to be the one thing to lift me from the grave I'm continually digging for myself. Nah, never. Only the worthy are saved, y'know."

His last journal entry, posted at 9:37 a.m. on Thursday, Jan. 27, offers a cryptic example or two of what he's seen.

"Always expecting change when I know nothing ever changes. I've seen mothers choose their man over their own flesh and blood, I've seen others choose alcohol over friendship."

Drawings Weise made at school and online activity suggested he was a neo-Nazi, to which Desjarlait expressed surprise.

"That's just coming out of the blue," she said. "That's not how he was raised."

In many of the online biographical sketches, the authors are asked to provide their favorite quotes.

In one destined for review by the FBI in its investigation of Weise, Adolf Hitler was quoted: "The law of existence requires uninterrupted killing ... So that the better may live."

The other was from Erich Maria Remarque's World War I novel, "All Quiet on the Western Front." It is uttered by the story's narrator, Paul Baumer, a private in the German Army:

"We are little flames, poorly sheltered by frail walls against the storm of dissolution and madness, in which we flicker and sometimes almost go out."

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Others Aware of Red Lake Plans, Officials Say
As Many as Four Believed to Have Helped Plot Attack


By Dana Hedgpeth and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, April 2, 2005; Page A03

RED LAKE, Minn., April 1 -- As many as 20 teenagers may have known ahead of time about plans for the shooting spree that resulted in the deaths of 10 people on the Indian reservation here March 21, tribal and federal officials said Friday.

Capt. Dewayne Dow of the tribal police told a group of parents, teachers and staff at a three-hour school board meeting that authorities believe as many as 20 students were involved.

One law enforcement official said the FBI believes that as many as four students -- including gunman Jeff Weise and Louis Jourdain, a classmate arrested Sunday -- were directly involved in planning an attack on Red Lake High School, and well over a dozen others may have heard about the plot.

"There may have been as many as four of these kids who were active participants in the plot," said the official, who declined to be identified discussing an ongoing investigation. "The question is, how many other kids had some knowledge of this or had heard about it somehow? We think there were quite a few."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A19704-2005Apr1?language=printer
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2005, 06:19:24 AM »

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/11197940.htm

Gunman admired Hitler

BY DAVID HANNERS

Pioneer Press


Although his people had long suffered oppression and were nearly annihilated, Jeff Weise identified with the oppressor and annihilator.

"I guess I've always carried a natural admiration for Hitler and his ideals, and his courage to take on larger nations," Weise, an American Indian, wrote in an online forum frequented by neo-Nazis and wannabes last year. The postings give a glimpse into the thoughts of a troubled young man, now suspected of going on a killing rampage Monday before turning the gun on himself.

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I sent this moron an email saying I didn't know that Hitler and the National Socialists "annihilated" Native Americans.  On the other hand, since National Socialism never annihilated the Jews, but that doesn't stop them from screaming "Holocaust", maybe this is some new Jewish duckspeak I haven't been clued in to.  Maybe like "Holocaust Zero:  The Prequel" or something.  

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2005, 08:22:53 AM »

i dont think he meant anything bout hitler anhilating native americans. But jus that his society destroyed itself itself with interacial breeding and fascination wit materialistic needs.
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2005, 08:54:49 AM »

Did anyone on this forum have any direct personal contact with Jeff Weise, who posted as Todesengel and NativeNazi? If you have any private email messages from him saved, or knew him directly, we would love to hear more about him so we can present the fullest, fairest portrait possible in The New York Times...please get in touch, wilgoren@nytimes.com. Thanks!
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2005, 08:57:26 AM »

I am from Red Lake and see how this small society treats people that are a little  different from the norm. But society itself is the blame for its own failure.  It has been heard that the security guard was to be a bully of some sort to the gunman. I dont know how true that is. But if there is any thruth in that then how can society fix a problem that it unknowingly encourages??? Huh
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2005, 08:58:08 AM »

This whole thing is going to up your traffic for a whlie, sure hope your server can handle it.
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2005, 09:17:16 AM »

@wilgoren, hope this helps

http://www.nazi.org/community/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=News;action=usersrecentposts;username=Todesengel


anyway, IMO, this is another chance for media/press and jewish groups to portray Hitler once again as the "evilest scum on earth"...

My Condolences and my most sincerely respect to Weise´s family and all the families involved in this tragic event..
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2005, 09:28:05 AM »

Do you know Jeff Weise?  Or do you have any personal/private messages from him.  He discussed issues in this forum apparently using the names Todesengel and NativeNazi.  Please reply to mebutcher@wcco.cbs.com to forward any messages you have in your 'saved' folder.  Or send me a note if you would like to meet with a reporter in the Red Lake, Minnesota area.  Thanks....
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2005, 09:33:44 AM »

The media is totally destoying the whole story.  They are making it out to be that he was a racist Nazi. But he jus believed Nationalists ideas. Bout having his people pure of blood. And how his society is fascinated by  materialistic needs. He admired Hitler for different reasons. Not what the world seen Hitler as. He admired his beliefs in Nationalism. Not world domination. Cry
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2005, 10:17:11 AM »

I'm a reporter for The Forum newspaper in Fargo, N.D. I'd like to interview anyone who knew Jeff Weise, who posted as Todesengel and NativeNazi. Please contact me at adalrymple@forumcomm.com if you'd be willing to talk to a reporter and willing to provide your name.
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2005, 11:24:10 AM »

LOL @ Jewish press rushing to "cover" this story. I'm surprised they haven't blamed the shooting on cowboys yet.
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2005, 12:16:53 PM »

To all who are considering answering the press:

Remember that any information you give can be used in articles, and will be around for your future. If you get linked to National Socialism, you will be denied jobs, college admissions, social positions and other things you might want. So be careful or even better, be anonymous.

Second, I'd like to add that the press in America is often duped into asking the wrong questions. The question is not "Was Todesengel a National Socialist?" - clearly he was. The questions are:

Why would a high schooler, transitioning from youth to adulthood, be so horrified by the future awaiting that he could do this?

How does National Socialism/Traditionalism solve problems that modern society cannot and will not address?

Why is it that people are trying to find some trait between school shooters, e.g. they're all Goths who love Hitler, to make it appear as if society's problems are not far-spread and running deep?

And finally: what is high school like, for those still in school, and how do high schoolers see the adult world, especially its degree of sanity. Does our society address the problems of the future? What about the emptiness of most modern lives? All good talking points.

The LNSG will grant email interviews to any interested press agency. We recommend all members of the press interested in National Socialism visit the following sites:

http://www.nazi.org/
http://www.overthrow.com/
http://www.ddc.net/ygg
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2005, 12:25:33 PM »

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http://www.nazi.org/community/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=News;action=usersrecentposts;username=Todesengel

anyway, IMO, this is another chance for media/press and jewish groups to portray Hitler once again as the "evilest scum on earth"...


Of course. Modern society rules by fear, and it needs a great evil to motivate its devoted sheep. Three good books on this are "1984" by George Orwell, "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley and "Absolute Friends" by John Le Carre.

Here are additional links:

You cry 'Holocaust,' and scream Genocide, when all the pictures I see of Jews are starved Jews. Not executed Jews, or bodies damaged by bullets.

The Natives you’ve known to be sympathetic to the cause are probably one’s who’ve experienced first hand what kind of problems cultural and race mixing can cause. As a result of cultural dominance and interracial mixing there is barely any full blooded Natives left. Where I live less than 1% of all the people on the Reservation can speak their own language, and among the youth wanting to be black has run ramped. We have kids my age killing each other over things as simple as a fight, and it’s because of the rap influence. Wannabe-gangsters everywhere, I can’t go 5 feet without hearing someone blasting some rap song over their speakers.

Under a National Socialist government, things for us would improve vastly… That is, if we haven’t already become too soft from the way this materialistic life-style has made us, and that is why I am pro-Nazi. It’s hard though, being a Native American National Socialist, people are so misinformed, ignorant, and close minded it makes your life a living hell, but I know if we achieve what we set out to, it will be worth it all.

I have a dumb question, but, can you be part of the LNSGP if you're ethnic? Or is it pure white only?

I have a picture saved to my computer of an India Indian in a wehrmacht uniform handling an MG-42, while a German (or volunteer) soldier instructs him how to use it.

Also useful:

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2005, 12:38:55 PM »

Jodi Wilgoren:

Why does the NY Times keep giving you all these Nazi murder stories?

Is it just your luck or what?  You figure they'd have multiple writers in their Chicago office ...

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As to the reporter I referenced above, he told me he was using the term "Hitler" as a "generic".  When I asked him if he thought Hitler was a good generic term for white people, he backed off into lame-explanation stuttering stammering mode.

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Anyways, some thoughts:

In a society stripped of all meaning by the Jew, does it really matter if a few meaningless people are murdered?

Is mass murder really a pathological reaction to modern society, or can it have a transcendental aspect?

If a website were to drive someone to murder, would that be wrong?

Does the mass media and the Jew really object to murder?  (Well, that's a little too obviously no)  The media advocates murder regularly, and it seems that they only object to murder when it occurs outside their paradigm of who should and shouldn't be murdered.

For instance -- if a communist or a Jew were to walk into a meeting of white nationalists and mass murder a dozen people, would the Jewish media treat it as it does this event?  How has the media treated Jewish mass murder of Muslims?  How does the media treat Jewish calls for genocide in Iraq?  How did it treat Madelaine Albright's comments that the murder of half a million children in Iraq was justified?

And ...

Far be it from me to argue that the media should not delight in the murder of those its members see as their enemies.  

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The whole earth, continually steeped in blood, is nothing but an immense altar on which all living beings must be sacrificed.  Without end, without regret,  without remorse, Until the consummation of the world, the extinction of evil, and the death of death.
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