rambling thoughts on strategy, third position,etc

[Europe Endless]

When I think by now it's pretty well established that preaching violent upheaval (e.g., "extremist" organizations, lone wolfism) and working within the framework of a two-party system (e.g., Reform party, Green party, Libertarian party) is a political dead-end. It's also becoming clear now that, like other ends of the radical political fringe, white nationalism has no strategy. The closest thing to a long-term strategy we had was William Pierce's rather vague suggestion that we build "alternative media" to compete with the mainstream media.

Now what exactly is the thrust of this? Besides actually building our media what do we do with it? How do we use it? Pamphleting, protests, and marches are all fine and dandy but these efforts are more symbolic than strategic. They advertise, they get the name out there but they aren't persuasive in and of themselves.

It occurs to me we need a couple of things which we have always lacked: energetic grassroots participation at the microcosmic scale and an intellectual vanguard at the macrocosmic scale. We can't succeed as "revolutionaries" and we can't succeed as 'third party' reformists. So, what can we do?

We can get rid of the fascist fetishism for one thing. It certainly succeeds at provoking the audience but provocation for its own sake is meaningless. To expand on this, we'll eventually need to ditch altogether the vestiges "extremist" politics. Totalitarianism won't appeal to most thinking people these days as we seem to move closer and closer to a global police state. Similarly, militarism isn't going to fair to well with any sector of the public.

Who is our target audience right now? Up until now it has been the right-wing. Up until now the "movement" itself has been more or less right-wing. This "movement" has, at least implicitly, seen itself as "right-wing" because of its single-minded obsession with the issue of race and those issues immediately related to race (e.g., immigration). I am not suggesting we 'deprioritize' race but we have to broaden our vision to include those things at least as important as race. We'll need, for instance, to address the issues of the environment and of restructuring our social and cultural values. And I don't mean just paying lip service to these issues either. We need to give them real thought and confront them head on. And we can tackle these issues effectually because the Leftist intellectuals' responses to these questions are unsatisfying and are perceived as unsatisfying by the growingly disaffected liberal youth. Their answers are insufficient because they are clouded by their overriding fixation on the issue of class. They filter everything through the lens of class relations and on the goal of obliterating those distinctions.
We must make sure we do not make a similar mistake with race. We cannot reduce all issues to race just as we cannot reduce all problems to jews, negroes, mestizos, or whichever people you find personally distasteful.

Nationalism has so far begun to flirt with what are popularly perceived as 'Leftist' concerns (e.g., the environment) with what is called "Third Position". Up til this point this has been merely flirtation as can be seen in figures such as Tom Metzger or Bill White. Leftists have accurately noted that even 'Third Position' panders to the right-wing. It is essentially seen by them as "co-optation of the consciousness of the proletariat"; that we are trying to make inroads into the Left for the sole purpose of bringing them over to the Right. This accusation does have some element of truth to it.

I, for one, would like to get away from right-wing politics altogether. How would we go about arriving at an authentic 'Third Way'? Well, for one we cannot perceive ourselves, as fascism did, as synthesizing the central concepts of the Left and the Right. And of course, fascism itself wasn't an authentic synthesis either, otherwise it would have been an incoherent mess. What fascism did was to take the concept of the nation-state (fascism erroneously equated the organic nation with the state) as its central principle and to subordinate all things to it. This is why it, like Internationalist Socialism, took on the form of totalitarianism. Fascism's singleminded reductionism (which it inherited from Marxism) must be substituted with a genuine holism, something it set out to do but failed at.

[OberGruppenFuehrer]

we could always get some weapons grade plutonium get the plans off the net to make a buick into an nuke and take out washington dc, lol

[Einherjer]

Ever hear Pierce's "white Zionism" speach? I thought alot of what was said in it could work.  As for pandering to the left... maybe I'm being old fashioned but I dont see that working

[OberGruppenFuehrer]

the left and the right suck cause they both beleive in wrong thigns so dagnabbit the right and the left.

[Einherjer]

I agree I'd a more moderate POV is good.

[atem]

The problem with the right and the left is that they come with their own platforms. Well how do you stand on abortion? What about civil rights? There is no focus on the health of a nation as a whole.

Ever-dividing, always dividing, we crush our heartland again and again.

[binarymike]

I wonder whether or not a mass-appeal through advertisement and propoganda would be possible, or if we'd have to rely on a grassroots type of approach for building the party.

[Europe Endless]

I wonder whether or not a mass-appeal through advertisement and propoganda would be possible, or if we'd have to rely on a grassroots type of approach for building the party.

I think we need to have our own media with which to compete to the mainstream media but we can't hope to win with that alone and that our attention should not primarily be about producing media, which as propaganda inevitably takes on a populist character. Popular mass media will always overwhelm dissident media which is why we would need grassroots participants and intellectuals.

[atem]

A MULTI-LATERAL' MILITANT NATIONALIST APPROACH:

All to often lately, I've been reading posts of people bickering and insulting each other over nonsense. I say that these issues are nonsense because we have to deal with the bigger problems of negro's and semite's on our lands, advocating and having a great deal of support from our own native people for the mongrelization of the races and their culture's. This is the reason for the high level of immigration in nation's that have a high standard of living. This policy must be changed and changed soon if you wish to avoid future problem's.
There are very, very few of us worldwide who wish to do this. We face the even bigger hurdle of achieving success in a world where legislative influence is bought. Even a complete, grassroots success would have a hard time accomplishing our collective goals. Not that there is a chance of that happening anytime soon either.

MULTI-LATERAL:
We must combine the current Nationalist organizations into a single, federated political organization with a central council of decision-makers in close communication with one-another to discuss our current options and to decide policy. The level of co-operation must be such that the original value's of the Nationalists involved are preserved, but rescources are appropriately allocated to best achieve success.

MILITANT:
From the collective rescources of the individual Nationalist's involved, a military sub-organization should be formed. This should include training, a hierarchy, uniforms and national symbolism, armaments, etc. This sub-organization should not immediately be used for revolutionary and/or illegal activities. It should be used, for the moment anyway, as a theatrical element designed to gain attention as well as garner support for our cause's. (Imagine thousands upon thousands of uniformed Nationalists marching down the main street of your capital city. imagine the effects that would produce.)

http://www.burzum.com/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=News;action=display;num=1071618778

[binarymike]

It always fascinated me how Hitler essentially created a 'sub-goverment' using his party, complete with departments and cabinets. The level of administration and flow of resources was extremely effective.

Seperately, he was able to appeal to many old imperialists who were wealthy, and garner their support and their capital. From where could we seek assistance?

[OberGruppenFuehrer]

the ss was also going to be a seperate entity

[OberGruppenFuehrer]

im sorry but i think that is a horrible idea.  and not very good to say on a public board like this.  i understand the ideology behind it and agree with it.  however in this point in time in american history we would be labeled as terrorists as soon as we were any threat to the statis quo.  the pen is mightier than the sword however a sword should be around when the pen doesnt work.

[OberGruppenFuehrer]

hey blue i braught the idea of changeing the symbol and the site url to atract more people and i came up for a basis for a new symbol that binarymike took and made something like that.  i think your pissed at me about that nickname i gave ya.  i know your not gay dude.

[OberGruppenFuehrer]

thanks guy.  i took that into account thats why i didnt act liek a jerk.  anyways i do think we should change the site url or make it smaller on the flyers i wanna change soemthings.  does anyone know if they are trademaked or do i need permission to make the url smaller on the flyer so they read it instead of seeing nazi and throwign it away?

[OberGruppenFuehrer]

wow great effort blue i comend ya.  i have to get more printer paper.  i think the iron cross gets our idea threw real well as well it isnt as hated as the swastika and it also still holds sacred value for us.  ya know. most people dont know what a nationalsocialist is so if ya made a url like  www.lnsgp.com  or write it out longways people would still go there and not even really make the connection.  then after reading the theory of ns they probably will be compelled to post so we can get their imput.  bad or good it will still help us along.  i hate to admitt that we may have to make concessions but we may have to atleast to get in teh door.  i understand that the swastika is the icon of our race but maybe we could wait till later to put it in our things ya know.