aaron300
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« on: October 21, 2005, 01:13:30 PM » |
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I am not a Nazi, I do not want to be one. And although I share certain stances, like stiff immigration policies, I suspect I would clash with most members of this forum when it comes to politics. So I understand if you want to flame me or don't answer my question, but I will pose it anyway in the hopes of a better understanding. I did a Google search for the word "flatterers" hoping to uncover a Civilization style simulator video game. On the first page of results I was suprised to find a link to the Nazi.org website: "The Flatterers" by Craig Smith. ref: http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/smith/column3/But what really caught my interest was the article entitled: "Remebering Hitler - And Moving On" by Anonymous ref: http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/smith/column8/My question, finally, is this: How can American born "Nazis" praise Hitler or remember him when this man killed your fathers, your brothers, the brothers of men you know, your countrymen? Forgive me if this sounds like a troll, but I've always thought of myself as a fairly rational person who listens to both sides of an arguement before I comment or form my own position. If I could get an answer to this, I think it would go a long way in helping shape my future thoughts on the subject. Thanks! Aaron
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diogenes
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2005, 01:51:15 PM » |
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How can American born "Nazis" praise Hitler or remember him when this man killed your fathers, your brothers, the brothers of men you know, your countrymen Many people of nations that battled Hitler during WW2 have had time to study his ideas, policies, and culture, often concluding that his way brought better results for all people than what the victors of the war have accomplished. The Western world has fallen rapidly since WW2 and now sees that it fought against the wrong side in attacking National Socialism when it should have been focused on eliminating Communism, globalism, and the elimination of cultures (i.e. multiculturalism). That the leaders of a nation attacked Germany and lost many lives doing so says nothing about the validity of Hitler's ideas and the ideology of National Socialism -- it only says that those were a threat to the leaders. While it is unfortunate that lives were spent so foolishly and at a loss for all involved, we can still objectively evaluate Hitler and National Socialism. This honesty and willingness to think beyond personal losses in the consideration of people and ideas is essential for the reestablishment of higher civilization.
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Beowulf
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2005, 10:09:54 PM » |
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My question, finally, is this: How can American born "Nazis" praise Hitler or remember him when this man killed your fathers, your brothers, the brothers of men you know, your countrymen?
Another question in this vein of thinking might be something like "If your family fought against the South in the Civil War, how can you admire General Lee? After all, his troops killed your family members." Because it was war, and a lot is forgivable in war. Just because his armies fought our armies does not mean that we cannot admire him for who he was - a genius, a visionary, and a true leader.
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Boris_T
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2005, 07:48:11 AM » |
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<<<< My question, finally, is this: How can American born "Nazis" praise Hitler or remember him when this man killed your fathers, your brothers, the brothers of men you know, your countrymen? >>>>
Do not be rediculuous, I am American of russian decent. The country of my birth lost millions of people fighting Hitler, yes we beat the Hitler , BUT WERE NOT FIGHTING FOR THE WORLD THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS !!!....
It boils down to this "we sacrificed to bring him down" that means we have a moral right to BRING HIM BACK !!!
Hitler is a symbol, we do not take him personally.
I'll buy Hitler over African American any day of the week.
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hyena
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2005, 03:17:34 PM » |
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when this man killed your fathers, your brothers, the brothers of men you know, your countrymen? You shouldn't see it like it's something personal. I mean , none of my relatives were hurt. Neither did I myself. I wasn't even born at that time , after all!
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The_Enforcer
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2005, 06:29:03 PM » |
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I have a huge question, if you have just a little bit of german blood in you, would it still make u considered as a german?
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Osbearn
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2005, 10:23:57 PM » |
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The United States made an error defending communism. It is easy to forgive bad choices. Fighting National Socialist Germany was a bad decision and a decision I had no part in nor did my grandfathers have a part in deciding to declare them an enemy. It isn’t fucking incomprehensible to understand a mistake. Adolf Hitler was a great leader for Germany and had a greater vision for Western Civilization. He would have worked with England and the United States: two countries he greatly respected. Read Hitler's Table Talks and you will understand that.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2005, 04:27:36 AM » |
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My question, finally, is this: How can American born "Nazis" praise Hitler or remember him when this man killed your fathers, your brothers, the brothers of men you know, your countrymen?
Forgive me if this sounds like a troll, but I've always thought of myself as a fairly rational person who listens to both sides of an arguement before I comment or form my own position. If I could get an answer to this, I think it would go a long way in helping shape my future thoughts on the subject.
Thanks!
Aaron Hello, May I say you have posed a very interesting question. So therefore I will give you a very interesting answer. I personally know of 1 Korean war veteran married to a Korean woman, 7 WWII veterans married to Japanese woman, 12 Vietnam veterans married to Vietnamese woman, and even 2 gulf war veterans married to Iraqi’s. You may ask what this has to do with you question, it's quite simple really, and these men had best friends killed by their wife own people, yet they still married these whores nevertheless. Remember you country decides who you fight not you, I have fought for my country and my friends have died, I was lucky enough to make it home. I did not want to fight the battle over oil but I did do I hate the men that killed my friends yes but not because they are from a specific government or believe in a certain religion or wear a stupid towel on there head but because they killed my friends and I wasn't good enough to save them. Men of political, religious, or governmental beliefs do not fight wars; soldiers who just want to do their job and go home fight them. For any other information about how you can stand the site of the peolpe who killed your freinds visit your local VFW or American Legion.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2005, 04:34:46 AM » |
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My question, finally, is this: How can American born "Nazis" praise Hitler or remember him when this man killed your fathers, your brothers, the brothers of men you know, your countrymen? Yes, what a sad and tragic loss. They died without knowing what they were fighting for. They are not your countrymen when you deny your connection to that country. Those men were patriotic and believed in what thier country was build up of. When you hate the very basic foundations of your country, then legal matters involving citienship are negated, am I wrong?
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hyena
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2005, 05:41:45 PM » |
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Society is better run by the masses , than from individual leaders. Except if you don't think this is the "better" way. Do you think National Socialism would ever exist, if some individuals didn't believe in it? Do you want sensibility and do you want reason? Or do you better like the invaders of logic causing havoc in our minds, by making us seem less than we are? 
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2005, 05:56:34 AM » |
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Society is better run by the masses , than from individual leaders. The masses are not thinkers or doers, and thus need to be led. Do you think National Socialism would ever exist, if some individuals didn't believe in it? National Socialism was not invented by masses believing in it, but instead by a few active thinkers who created it. They then demonstrated its benefits to their closest supporters and it grew organically from there.
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hyena
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2005, 04:32:55 PM » |
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The masses just don't want to be leaders. So they need to be led. And it grows from this. 
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2005, 05:49:01 PM » |
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I am not a nazi ether but i personally do not care about my forefathers dieing to hitlars wraith. My family aside from my father are a bunch of ignorant boobs obsessed with wealth and pride. 98% of americans have been brainwashed by our state paid history teachers. My life managment skills teacher is the biggest moran of them all though. She has to remind us everyday of how she has 2 white kids and 2 black kids. Every day she has a story about unfair the US is to non-whites and i refused to believe the load of crap she is attemping to feed us. She so far as shown 2 movies in our class.
One about what the jews went throguh in nazi germany, it was a load of feces and didnt show both sides of the story
the other was about rosa parks and what blacks go throguh even today. What a load of feces, they forgot to mention that whites took blacks out of the holes in africa and eating their own feces.
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2005, 08:38:57 PM » |
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You make a good point, about praising Hitler even though we some of us are American born and our grandfathers were fighting against him. Even though I'm American born, and No one in my family fought against him, I praise him because he was a great leader, a man who fought for what he belived in. He was also a Military Genious, he knew how to get rid of the problem that was threatining his country and he tried to do so. That's what some of us are trying to do is get rid of the problems in the fucked up country. All the poverty, and turmoil is all related to race, and even though most of the White Americans can't see that, we can. And we will try to change it.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2005, 08:50:50 PM » |
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okay hitler was not a military genious. He declared war on russia when he wasnt done with england yet. Fighting a war on two fronts is what truly sealed germanys lose.
The Desert Fox as the true brains behide the nazi war machine. He could have stoped opperation overlord if it wasnt for hitlar demanding that he have control of the armored divisions. During the invansion hiltar was sleeping and everybody was afraid to wake him. The units were deployed to late and were unable to stop the allies. Could u imagine if a force the size of the battle of the bulge was released when the allies were trying to make a beachhead?
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