Something that I dont get...

[Aussie_sheila]

Ok...im not going to beat around the bush here, I dont get why you have a problem with blacks, asains, jews  ect. Im sick to death of hearing and seeing all the hate crimes that go on in Australia now! We used to be a nation of tolerence...please stop corrupting our youth. If however you do HAVE a valid reason for hating other people who do not fit in with your idea of society then please share it! Are you people ever aware of the kind of torture that was inflicted on others during the 2nd world war? Hilter may have been a genious but he was also very evil, sick and twisted...
If you could try this for me...imagine that your kids came home crying because somebody had called them obsence names, you would be furious, your kids would be confused and you would have the horriable and akward task of explaining things to them...nobody wants their kids and families to go through that.
Please explain what is soo wrong with other people and cultures? Please share it with us or get over it and accept people for who they are!
Im not going to resort to name calling and other obsencities....but im furious.

[diogenes]

Your irrational anger has caused you to make false accusations against us. Instead of misunderstanding others and trying to blame them for social problems, why not first educate yourself instead of taking the easy way out? By yielding to stereotypes you have aptly demonstrated the biases you claim others to have.

Try these resources to learn about our ideas and standards before accusing others:

http://www.nazi.org/library/faq/
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/national_socialism/
http://www.nazi.org/library/

[Aussie_sheila]

Im sorry but parts of that are twisted! Diveristy is good, people should mix. The idea that societies should be kept seperate is weird. Also the idea that the individuals in the many dont matter because its the many that matter is also strange....without the individuals you dont have the many....the diversity.

How can you not feel even a tiny bit apologetic for the lives that where taken under Hitler's dictatorship? The torture that was inflicted?

Also how many of you are infact the working class, which means your against yourself. One of the first things Hilter did was disband the unions!

I had no idea how rightwing you people are! If anything Diogenes those resources have angered me more!

Now I came onto this site to get an explaination of why you are so against diversity...otherwise I would never EVER enter a site like this. I think by reading those resources I have my explantion...but it is warped and pathetic.

No matter what you say, everyone is equal wether they are black, jewish, handicapped, homosexual ect and everyone should be made equal, instead of this segragation of the classes, nationalities, religions, menatel cababilites ect.

[diogenes]

Im sorry but parts of that are twisted! Diveristy is good, people should mix.

Why? You sound like a character in Orwell's 1984 repeating mindless slogans. Please tell us:
a) why diversity is good
b) why people should mix

The idea that societies should be kept seperate is weird.

That is how civilization worked for thousands of years and it was successful. Mixing people randomly creates social problems and has only given us degenerate civilization. Look how many people long for the past that we have destroyed though senseless choices.

Also the idea that the individuals in the many dont matter because its the many that matter is also strange....without the individuals you dont have the many....the diversity.

The masses have few or no good ideas and engage in harmful behavior. It is better to have sensible people working towards a common goal that raises rather than lowers civilization.

How can you not feel even a tiny bit apologetic for the lives that where taken under Hitler's dictatorship? The torture that was inflicted?

War is full of death and toture and Hitler wanted to avoid this but the Allies demanded war. It is true that 50 million people died in the war, including millions of German civilizations that the Allies attacked out of hate without any military objective. But this was 60 years ago, and despite the human losses, National Socialist ideas remain useful to attempts to improve society. It is important that we work together to implement higher ideals and values.

Also how many of you are infact the working class, which means your against yourself. One of the first things Hilter did was disband the unions!

His disbanded the unions and forced factory owners to grant worker's rights, one of many innovations in his social policy. Workers need to be protected so they can do their work and factory owners need to take care of workers and pay a living wage so factories run effectively. Using economic attacks harms everyone and is unproductive, so such tactics were banned.

I had no idea how rightwing you people are! If anything Diogenes those resources have angered me more!

You shouldn't get angry at ideas because that prevents logical discourse from emerging.

No matter what you say, everyone is equal wether they are black, jewish, handicapped, homosexual ect and everyone should be made equal, instead of this segragation of the classes, nationalities, religions, menatel cababilites ect.

Wait, which is it? Are all people equal as you say, or should all people be made equal? You can't have it both ways.

Further, how can people with different mental capabilities be made equal? Do we dumb down the intelligent so that they don't have better ideas? After all, a dumb person feels less intelligent when compared to a smart person and that must hurt their feelings.

Or perhaps all of this talk about how people are equal is actually hurting the lesser because it sells them a false reality that the world proves to be false, again and again, yet the insane keep telling them that there is some secret discrimination that keeps them from being like everyone else.

Why is it so wrong to accept that people are different and have different attributes and capabilities? Every honest person can see this so we don't really need to pretend in feel-good lies that are potentially harmful for the whole of society.

[Discordance]

I dont get why you have a problem with blacks, asains, jews  ect.

I don't think a lot of people here have a problem with any of these groups.  The problem they have is when these groups try to latch into our own, and exist off of hand-outs and force our children into diversity classes, encourage our women to be like men, and broadcast violent gangster rap where often these icons flirt with daughters of a once conservative and free nation of a strong line of builders that invented the very industry being used for these aims.

If you could try this for me...imagine that your kids came home crying because somebody had called them obsence names, you would be furious, your kids would be confused and you would have the horriable and akward task of explaining things to them...nobody wants their kids and families to go through that.

Interesting, I've heard a lot of "White Supremacists" complain about the same sort of thing.  Kids being called cracker, gringo, or whitey at school, being beaten up by gangs of foreigners because of our terrible border policies.  Women being raped by Azatlanians.  

Nobody wants their kids and families to go through that.

No matter what you say, everyone is equal wether they are black, jewish, handicapped, homosexual ect and everyone should be made equal, instead of this segragation of the classes, nationalities, religions, menatel cababilites ect.  

I sense some discrimination here.  Do you hate the more intelligent, or the balkanized regions working together for National goals?

Are you a Diversity Supremacist?  Stop the hate.

[Aussie_sheila]

I dont hate anyone...im fustrated by things which have steamed from the nazi party. Diversity is good because it keeps things interesting and open. This world is too small for civilizations not to mix, besides there are no longer any pure civilizations because at some point people have mixed. I dont hate the more intelligent...but its not fair to discriminate against the mentally challenged...to kill them because they are not very smart. And you are wrong..civilaztions in the past where not kept seperate, the Romans would be a good example of that, by expanding their territory many different people joined the empire, which would create more diversity. I'm also aware of the discrimination by both sides..black kids calling white kids names and white kids doing the same. Also how do you encounter any new ideas without diversity? Old ideas are not always the best ones.

You are right the hate has to stop, people should be free to live without worrying about being picked on. Im not having a go at you, you are free to do what you want, I was just curious to no some things and now I think I have my answers.

Perhaps my choice of words about intelligence was incorrect....i mean everyone's ideas are valid and should be considered, intelligence is one thing which will never be equal....but with different levels of intelligence again comes diversity!

Also, to bring things back to the 2nd world war, Hilter did want the jews exterminated, he placed germany's problems on this group.

I do apologise though for saying your ideas anger me...that wasnt very fair. I come from a very leftwing environment and I am infact an anarchist , I believe in freedom, diversity and equality for all.
Diversity and Equality some say dont mix but they do, if everyone was seen as equal no matter their intelligence or background or religion then we wouldnt have hate (the equality) and then if you didnt have to fear discrimination people would feel free to express their ideas more freely (the diversity).

[diogenes]

Icivilaztions in the past where not kept seperate, the Romans would be a good example of that, by expanding their territory many different people joined the empire, which would create more diversity.

The Romans became so diverse that they no longer had anything in common with one another and promptly collapsed. It seems to me to be more sensible to have a common heritage and shared values with your neighbor instead of difference (diversity). Do you think society is more successful when it can work in unison or when it works against itself in conflict and contradiction?

[Aussie_sheila]

The Roman Empire did not collapse because of diversity! The Empire collapsed because it became so large it could no longer defend all its territory against all the other tribes attacking at once. Without the diversity in the Roman Empire I doubt we would have all this technology, science and the legal system that we have today. If it hadnt been for the continuos attacks on the Empire it would probably be standing today.

The reason for all the contridiction and conflict is the governments, especially the american government whose prime industry is the arms industry. We believe what our governments/ leaders say. Have you ever asked why do we fear certain kinds of people? Because we are told to fear them. Society on the whole isnt bad the way it is, but it isnt good either I'll grant you. Changes should be made but it shouldnt be changes where people are segregated, everyone should be encouraged to love everyone regardless of everything else. This world is too small to keep everyone seperate. I'm also sure you will find people do have things in common with their neighbours but its impossiable for everyone to have everything in common...which creates a healthy diversity and opinions, where kids can grow up to see everything an choose their own values and morals.
I live next door to an Indian family and a French family, I'm constantly suprised and intrigued by their customs, values, morals ect. I enjoy the ideas they have to share, because some of them I would never have thought of myself. Diversity is good, its healthy- like eating an apple!

[diogenes]

I don't think anyone "fears" other people. We just prefer our own people, values, and ideas because they make sense to us. We don't have anything in common with people who create third-world cultures and they can contribute nothing of value to first world society - at best they are laborers but more commonly they create friction that breaks down society, costs everyone money, and prevents us from having social progress.

That you are bored with whatever your culture is and find other cultures to be an amusement to consume is hardly a great argument in favor of diversity, but rather shows how shallow multiculturalism is when it is just another television channel over which to marvel.

[Aussie_sheila]

Excuse but I think you are putting words in my mouth! I don find other cultures to be an amusement but a way to expand my own ideas and knowledge, differnt people offer more variety in ideas and more choice. Its not like a television show to marvel over but more a learning experiance...Also im not bored with my multicultral background, I love it because all my grandparents have wonderful experiances and ideas of their home countries to share, even though I consider myself to be Australian I acknowledge my heridatory. I do not find amusement in other cultures, I find experiance and learning.  I think you might be shocked to no that every culture has similar values, attitudes and morals.

I believe that third world countries shouldnt be segregated but helped, without help they will never be able to pull themselves out of poverty and starvation, which they did not get themselves into. Once they have been helped they would probably have some great ideas and experiances to share with the rest of the world. Showing concern for other humanbeings that desperatly need help is socail progress, because not many people are willing to help out a person in need.
Myself personally, if I was ever asked by a person I dislike, to borrow the shirt from my back or food from my table, I would say yes. Because sharing and helping is socail progress.

Of course we all prefer our own ideas but diversity give us a chance to see other ideas which might be better. Just because you dont have anything in common with others doesnt mean you cant be friends and get along, some of the greatest friends in the world have nothing in common at all.

Also if you did not fear other people and their ideas then why would you want to seperate them? People always want to be seperated from the things which they fear. Like a bilby afraid of a dingo or eagle, they try to seperate themselves from the source of fear.
I no the arguement you will use against that statement...but humans are of the animal kingdom too, we experiance the same emontions and responses they do. So my example of the bilby and the dingo or eagles is infact releavent.

[diogenes]

I believe that third world countries shouldnt be segregated but helped, without help they will never be able to pull themselves out of poverty and starvation, which they did not get themselves into. Once they have been helped they would probably have some great ideas and experiances to share with the rest of the world.

Surely, it's just hateful oppressors keeping them down and censoring their genius ideas out of fear. Somehow they just lack the ability to solve simple problems and don't want to do difficult work, so instead choose to leave the nation they love and help spread the joys of diversity.

Also if you did not fear other people and their ideas then why would you want to seperate them?

Because they are dysfunctional, costly, and destroy civilization by introducing contradiction instead of unity. Would you rather society function effectively, or that every "individual" pursued actions that paralyzed the whole? Diversity within a nation imposes a great burden and provides no benefit. Diversity when appropriately viewed as differences between nations is a wonderful thing and prevents any nation from the suffering of contradictory traits within its governance.

[Smaragaid]

If I may offer my own views on Nationalism...

Human beings evolved into different races.  We can pretty much accept this to be fact until (unbiased) scientific evidence can tell us otherwise.  Whether or not they evolved as a product of their environment or some other external force, we are still not sure.  But the fact is they evolved differently.  Now, as animals evolve differently or, more specifically, become different breeds, their brains will develop different tendencies.  Some dogs will instinctively aid in herding sheep while others serve to sniff out prey for the hunt.  As such, humans, as they evolved and dispersed throughout the world, developed different tendencies... these tendencies evolved into mannerisms, from mannerisms to routines, from routines to cultures... language also evolved out of these.

After thousands or millions of years, human beings are going to become EXTREMELY different from one another, albeit sharing the same primordial ancenstry, as we do with basically the entire universe.

Now, I've always felt an aspect of spirituality should be added at this point.  Nature and the universe quite obviously work by laws.  Animals live and die, they hunt, they grow, they breed, they organize, etc.  The world itself works by natural laws like gravity and such.  And as you can see entire ecosystems work by the operation of all the animals within it.  This is the way in which the entire planet works.

All races serve their purpose by existing and living as they do.  No one race is superior to another on the grand scale of things.  If a human being serves its function and serves it well (for whatever higher power there is and for his own culture/race/ecosystem/etc.) then he is a welcome part of the world.  If not, Natural Selection will remove his genes from evolution so that higher beings may come to exist in our world.  In fact, the only people who are superior on the grand scale of things are people who are intelligent, talented, integral, honest, heroic, and wise.

Now, when you take a member of one ecosystem or culture and put him into another, it's like taking a cog specifically hand-designed for one clock and putting it into an entirely different one.  He may do alright, but he'll slow the whole process down.  The other "cogs" are "superior" to him because they have been designed for hat particular clock.

When you mix two races together, you essentially have to lower both sets of genes to a common denominator, something they can "share."  This is like working for a while on a work of art, but then erasing it to start over from a more fundamental part of it.  The Jews are actually a product of pretty thorough mixing, but, as time progressed and their breeding laws became more strict, they seem to have begun evolving into a race of their own, like creating a new piece.  The religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam work within the context of Semitic cultures, but not quite so well within others, going back to the "tendencies" thing.  In essence, race mixing is an experiment all its own, with possibly dangerous consequences if not in a controlled environment.

This isn't a hate philosophy.  In fact, it isn't a philosophy so cold as to have no emotion.  It is, in fact, a love for the Universe and for the Natural Cosmos.  It is a love for joy and suffering, for peace and conflict.  All are a part of the natural world, and only weaklings who are not fit for the universe want to escape this dytonomy... or rather suffering in itself.  If you embrace pain heroically, you'll find you are fulfilled and even happier than before, when you sought nothing but luxury and avoided all confrontation.  It is truly Love.

[Aussie_sheila]

Everytime I reply I just end up with the feeling we are going around in circles....diversity is good, you cannot blame socail problems on mutlicultralsim...Australia is probably the most diverse of all the countries with its population and we dont seem to have very many socail problems...not like America anyway. These problems with society come from a lack of tolerence for every single individual and from the government/media. You say you want socail progress but socail progress can only occur when everyone is ready to tolerate everyone else.

People in third world countries do work very hard, they are constantly working for money to buy clean water and food, but their wages are crap because their government is bankrupt, that is why these people are kept in poverty and starvation. Some of the people who are trapped in this kind of environment are extremely intelligent but because of lack of funds they dont experiance a proper education and are forced into work or care for their families.

You want to keep races seperate but what if someone fell inlove with somebody from another race...would that person be allowed to be with and marry the person they love? You cannot control things like that, which is also another reason why diversity is good, it lets people be with the people that matter to them, and if you think you can control things like that then you are talking about a dictatorship and Totalitarianism.  

[atem]

Everytime I reply I just end up with the feeling we are going around in circles....diversity is good, you cannot blame socail problems on mutlicultralsim...

Diversity might be good, but there might be better ways of doing things, and diversity might destroy some things that we will want in the future.

Heroin is also good. On heroin, we're all nice to each other because we're happy stoned on drugs. If everyone were on heroin, there would be no war. Maybe diversity is similar.

[Aussie_sheila]

The differnce between Herion and diversity though is Herion is lethal and highly dangerous. I agree there might be a better way of doing things but segregation is not it. Its too late now to seperate races because most people are not a single race...we do have a problem with the overpopulation crisis and we do have socail problems but instead of saying "Right we think the problem is mulitcultralism...you people f*** off and go home", we should be trying to fix the problems by putting more funding into improving the home environment and schools and putting restrictions on the amount of babies a couple can have, we should also be trying to help our nieghbour countries out..if people where willing to help, Africa and other countries like it could catch up to us...and please DONT say they are lazy and its their own fault because it isnt.