US Nazis disorganized, divided

[RogueTemplar]

How can we be so unorganized? Why is it we continue to bash and attack each other more than people who are surpressing us? If all groups of white pride and socialist ideaology are linked together, then we have one voice. If this post offends anyone, once again, I apologize in advance.

U.S. Neo-Nazi Groups are Deeply Divided And Poorly Organized.
National Socialist Movement Gives Jew Reporter Wrong Impression

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit organization that monitors and pursues legal action against hate groups, says that while groups like the NSM have shot up in membership, these groups are divided and disorganized. Some previously large white supremacist groups like the Aryan Nations are now a shadow of their former selves. Power struggles within the National Socialist Movement, including the defection of several high-profile members, have depleted its ranks. Some former members went on to form their own groups, or join rival organizations. Others turned out to be FBI informants.

http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/2008-04-29/goelman- neonazimalaise

[Night_Train]

How can we be so unorganized? Why is it we continue to bash and attack each other more than people who are surpressing us?

Because the diversity within the Nationalist realm is damn near greater than the diversity between nations and races. Supremacists hate moderates for their lack of "loyalty" and moderates dismiss extremists as ignorant or paranoid. Opinions on politics can range as far pro capitalist democracy to pro facism.

And then there is that dead horse of "Racial Purity" which has been kicked, punched, head butted, stomped and burned before being buried in a shallow grave; only to be excavated yet again and pissed on for good measure.

 

[atem]

How can we be so disorganized/divided?

From an experienced observer:

1. Individualism. People become nationalists to make themselves seem cooler, e.g., for the same reason people become liberals. The disease of social self-judgment has reached us as well.

2. No one other than a handful of people understand the ideology because most neo-Nazis insist on distilling it to complaining and hatred in order to attract more members.

3. Incompetence. NS people are so used to being demonized that they accept anyone who swears by their beliefs, no matter how insane (or obviously an informant) this person is.

4. Loudmouths. When you make ideology a rush to the bottom, the loudmouths get all the attention, and thoughtful/powerful people go elsewhere. Smart people get shouted down by impoverished, diseased, angry and impotent failures because the failures "express more fully" their distillation of NS ideology.

That's a formula for failure, right there.

The current NS underground will never amount to anything.

[Stahlhelm]

Yup, I think Atem has pretty much hit the nail on the head with that assesment of matters. I also believe National Socialism by its nature demands a strong central leader, and obviously no candidate currently exists, or circumstance has concealed them. Even though potentially it would be very easy to tap into discontentment with the current system and channel that as a force for change, nationalist leaders tend to insist on being irrational. I saw an interview not so long back where the leader of the British National Party was espouging the idea that "Racism was created by Lenin" or something similar. These kind of random irrational attacks unrelated to the core issues aren't going to get us anywhere.

[Dubhthach]

Perhaps the L.N.S.G.P. ought to consider real-world congregation as its own organisation/party?  Most folks here seem to have their act together and, of all the nationalist movements of White America, we seem the most palatable to mainstream society and thus more likely to gain  significant influence in American politics.

I'd think we could take a vote for leader or just make it a battle royal, last-one-standing-is-the-fuehrer thing?

[Steve-Hoog]

The time is not yet right.

[Deutschmann]

I think it would be hard us to gain any power with the symbolism we carry. In our modern world racial superiority beliefs are frowned upon and the fact that we us a swastika as our symbol would scare most unitelligent people away. I think if we were to make a move for political power, we have to change our image so as to gain the loyalty of the more intelligent persons. A central leader is a good idea, but I think a small council might work better for some time before we centralise under one leader.

[Steve-Hoog]

Just as I feel the label "Nazi" is the property of Germany, I also feel the same about the symbol. When we talk about something beyond this board; do I assume we talk about a political party in the USA? Several third parties with a larger following have failed miserably; failure is not something I want. I don't know when the time will be right, but I sure don't think it's right now.

The circumstances that formed the Third Reich were completely different.

I just don't know the answer.

[Deutschmann]

It seems the time will come in the next 30 years. With the next US election in full play now, it will be a long and grueling fight between Obama and McCain. No matter what, after this next election, Amercans will be very divided by political views, and that gap wilwiden in the next decades, making room for third parties to break the stranglehold that our government is in.

I believe the Democratic party will live on, but the Republican party will move so far to the right that it will die a lonely and miserable death. It will give room for a centrist party to take power.

[Steve-Hoog]

Dunno...

[Steve-Hoog]

Mein Kampf The Strongest Man is Mightiest Alone; required reading for this thread without a doubt.

English version for anyone interested: http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch08.html

[Birgitta]

How can we be so disorganized/divided?

From an experienced observer:

1. Individualism. People become nationalists to make themselves seem cooler, e.g., for the same reason people become liberals. The disease of social self-judgment has reached us as well.

2. No one other than a handful of people understand the ideology because most neo-Nazis insist on distilling it to complaining and hatred in order to attract more members.

3. Incompetence. NS people are so used to being demonized that they accept anyone who swears by their beliefs, no matter how insane (or obviously an informant) this person is.

4. Loudmouths. When you make ideology a rush to the bottom, the loudmouths get all the attention, and thoughtful/powerful people go elsewhere. Smart people get shouted down by impoverished, diseased, angry and impotent failures because the failures "express more fully" their distillation of NS ideology.

That's a formula for failure, right there.

The current NS underground will never amount to anything.

I agree to this . Most "nazi" only try to live up to the myths about National Socialism , created by the winner of the war , without trying to find out for themselves what National Socialism is about . I think infact , a real National Socialist was Knut Hamsund . In all his writing he was a National Socialist . That is the cooperation between Man and Mother Earth . The extistencialism of our race and our culture forwarding to next generations . The wheel of life forwarding for ever...

[ricinct]

A couple of points need to be made here...One: even the SS eventually realized that a true struggle is a Pan-nationalist one...remember the Vth SS Div. (Viking) was made up of volunteers from all over Western Europe...Nationlism is a component of a greater movement..which is an enlighted planet with a outward looking civilization..grow or die!!! Two: Why struggle to build a mass movement???  purity of idealogy is more important than size...the Vatican is a small state but with more power than most of the nations on this planet..what is needed is state soverignty..in a post-industrial world a Pan-nationlist "Rock of Gibralter" is better than a hundred years of elections in Germany the USA or any other "state"...a brother & sisterhood of several hundred or several thousand people making a stand and setting an example on a piece of land we can call our own..WWII is over and Hitler in the end placed his life and power above the needs of his people..Europe and America are sinking..but in the future war can be waged with the contents of a briefcase...we need a state..not endless dialogue!!!   

[Dubhthach]

dagnabbit it.  I'm the new Leader of the LNSGP.  Does anyone challenge my rule?

[Steve-Hoog]

My whole question is lead where; the USA is locked in two parties and it will never change, people that preach relocating mass quantities of people are in LA LA land, and like it or not there isn't a whole lot of purity left.