Definition of Aryan...

[DasFraulein]

All my life, my mother who was influential on me (and I really despise her but thats beside the point) had always made it a point to say, "it's because you're so Aryan, very white, it's a good thing."

Now, I understand that people can't help being their race, yet their is pride in knowing they are the product of clean repopulation within their ethnicity.

So, I always wondered if there was a difference between Aryans and whites? I see the textbook definition always meaning 'people from Iran' which I know could still be white, yadda yadda, it's not something I'm very educated in.
But then so many people say 'the true Aryans are German'. This doesn't necesarily hit off with me. I mean, sure, Germans are great. I love Germans (haha especially the men, many good looking), but I think it was Benjamin Franklin who stated he in fact didn't like Germans because of their 'swarthiness' was not as beautiful as the pale English.
I myself am not even German, I'm almost 100% English. Someone who was ...mm, disrespecting my choice of art, said that on a profile off another site, I 'shouldn't be proud to be Aryan because from my photo I don't look it' which lead me to believe I might have a bit of Spanish. (I'm sure everyone is smart enough and old enough to understand I'm not talking about Mexicans, but the pure Spanish who used to be white, yes?) Anyways I doubt it.

So does Aryan mean being white basically, being German, or being from Iran? (I think either way it's still meaning 'from Iran'). I know not so many people use it because it isn't "politically correct" or whatever, but I still intend on using it and I'd like to be informed.

[Brunhilde88]

All my life, my mother who was influential on me (and I really despise her but thats beside the point) had always made it a point to say, "it's because you're so Aryan, very white, it's a good thing."

Now, I understand that people can't help being their race, yet their is pride in knowing they are the product of clean repopulation within their ethnicity.

So, I always wondered if there was a difference between Aryans and whites? I see the textbook definition always meaning 'people from Iran' which I know could still be white, yadda yadda, it's not something I'm very educated in.
But then so many people say 'the true Aryans are German'. This doesn't necesarily hit off with me. I mean, sure, Germans are great. I love Germans (haha especially the men, many good looking), but I think it was Benjamin Franklin who stated he in fact didn't like Germans because of their 'swarthiness' was not as beautiful as the pale English.
I myself am not even German, I'm almost 100% English. Someone who was ...mm, disrespecting my choice of art, said that on a profile off another site, I 'shouldn't be proud to be Aryan because from my photo I don't look it' which lead me to believe I might have a bit of Spanish. (I'm sure everyone is smart enough and old enough to understand I'm not talking about Mexicans, but the pure Spanish who used to be white, yes?) Anyways I doubt it.

So does Aryan mean being white basically, being German, or being from Iran? (I think either way it's still meaning 'from Iran'). I know not so many people use it because it isn't "politically correct" or whatever, but I still intend on using it and I'd like to be informed.

There is no scientific or set-in-stone definition of what an Aryan is.  Maby people in the racial movement just call all whites Aryans.  To me, I think the term implies a certain purity of mind that would go beyond physical attributes (Iranians were Aryans a very long time ago, and only the odd individual with blue eyes remains to show what happened)  - so someone who is a foul mouthed pervert or race traitor is not an "Aryan".

As a Creator I steer clear of using the term Aryan as it is divisive to our racial struggle.  We have to get through the challenges of this centrury as WHITES and we should be as united in that struggle as possible.  The "Aryans" may return some day through eugenic breeding, but we need to concentrate on basic survival right now.

[scourge]

One of the following is the Aryan group. Aryan indicates ruling caste and physical type-ideal. In an age of democracy and equality, this would be a divisive issue for almost everyone so Brunhilde is right.

In all the European peoples the following five races, pure and crossed with one another, are represented:

The Nordic race: tall, long-headed, narrow-faced, with prominent chin; narrow nose with high bridge; soft, smooth or wavy light (golden-fair) hair; deep-sunk light (blue or grey) eyes; rosy-white skin.

The Mediterranean race: short, long-headed, narrow-faced, with less prominent chin; narrow nose with high bridge; soft, smooth or curly brown or black hair; deep-sunk brown eyes; brownish skin.

The Dinaric race: tall, short-headed, narrow-faced, with a steep back to the head, looking as though it were cut away; very prominent nose, which stands right out, with a high bridge, and at the cartilage sinks downward at its lower part, becoming rather fleshy; curly brown or black hair; deep-sunk brown eyes; brownish skin,

The Alpine race: short, short-headed, broad-faced, with chin not prominent; flat, short nose with low bridge; stiff, brown or black hair; brown eyes, standing out; yellowish-brownish skin.

The East Baltic race: short, short-headed, broad-faced, with heavy, massive under jaw, chin not prominent, flat, rather broad, short nose with low bridge; stiff, light (ash-blond) hair; light (grey or whitish blue) eyes, standing out; light skin with a grey undertone.1

http://aryannordicalpinealiens.blogspot.com/2008/10/european-races.html

[DasFraulein]

About the struggle as 'whites' and the return of 'Aryan', that makes a very good point.

Personally I'm very white save that I'm not....taller than usual and I don't have the lightest hair, however it's medium-light blonde. Eyes gray-blue. Very pale kind of skin, blush easily. I'm pretty white. It was just bothering me, so many Germans saying they are 'the true Aryans' when in face I think that's a selfish claim. This was a bit of what was causing me confusion over the matter, however I think I had gotten it straight from the beginning.

[scourge]

I think what's selfish is taking offense with someone who is better. Multiply that type of selfishness times one billion and you have modern western society or at least one of its attributes which is crowdism.

[DasFraulein]

Hmm, maybe I understood you wrong, were you implying my dislike of those who brag about it strictly because they are German? I see nothing wrong with disliking it, to the point where I've always been one to say "of course, it was the Germans, they're always on top of it with their discipline and such". A lot of good things come from Germany, hell, despite what I view on it racially, Germany is where I'd love to move despite the huge Leftist movement there that really bothers me (especially their tight supervision of anything remotely Nazi, but I can sort of understand).

If you were meaning it in another way, forgive me if I misunderstood.

I do however agree on your views of crowdism, but isn't it only human nature to take offense with those who are better? For many racists who trash-talk African Americans, they could say the same thing that blacks take offense to them. Of course, Western culture does seem to amplify this, but honestly I don't see where it isn't happening.

[scourge]

I do however agree on your views of crowdism, but isn't it only human nature to take offense with those who are better?

I believe that has to do with personal character and tradition. Did the medieval commoner typically resent the knight, his better and benefactor? We're missing cultural standards in our time. Maybe it started with brute fear as nomadic tribes. Then, we turned to customs of respect toward those who earned it in the age of heroes and the age of kings. Now, people again do not give respect unless it comes with fear. Something vital was lost making modern people primitive within themselves and childish as crowds.

For many racists who trash-talk African Americans, they could say the same thing that blacks take offense to them. Of course, Western culture does seem to amplify this, but honestly I don't see where it isn't happening.

Since equality is a sham, I'm looking more to when and less to where. That isn't to say other cultures are lacking. It is to say that I am of my own people and their evolution + history. I am not of all people. Nobody is.

[Cedric of Worthing]

Would Germans be considered Nordic?

[evabroon]

The Germanic tribes were mightily handy with craft work and pottery etc.

The Angles and the Jutes along with Saxons and another similar tribe like the Piks? from the northern regions of Europe made a few raids over the channel to main land Britain and came to live along the ancient Celts, often out breeding them in the Southern areas of what is now England, London etc.

Aryan strictly means from Iran and Northern India.  The swastica is a reversal of a hindu religious motif, so there is a lot of India in the movement which Adolf had got in to full steam with.

The Celts were a long established Irish tribe and developed their influence over to Scotland - Hibernia? and much of England for many millenia.  After the Anglo Saxon exodus from Germanic lands to Brittania, the Celts moved more up the north.

Generally the cockney end of the country is more germanic and the northern yorkshire, lancashire and scotland is more celtic etc.

[evabroon]

The toughest lot were them Vikings, which were popular in their raids in scotland and down along the east coast, even taking over much of northern france and becoming Normans, but who then defeated England in 1066 in a more French Viking combination.

The northern end of scandinavia, with Norway, Sweden and Finland etc, are well developed countries which are up there with Germany etc, big into boat making and now, their car making skills are high up there.

[SoarAndEnvision]

I think this is a subject that should be taken very seriously and it quite likely dictates my entire spirituality and motivation through National Socialism. In fact, I would say I am an Aryanist first and a National Socialist second.

All four of my grandparents are from the same province in Northern Iran and our family is white as most still are in Hyrcania. In fact, recently an uncle of mine performed a genetic test which showed a significant R1a Haplogroup presence and an exciting discovery - genetic evidence that my grandfather is part South Ossetian (who are descendents of the Alans - Iranic horseman who rode with Germanic tribes against the Visigoths, and have always been my most admired Aryan culture.)

In any event, Aryanism has been emphasized greatly in my upbringing and in the time of Adolf Hitler, with my grandparents being ardent supporters of the Third Reich, and were hopeful of an alliance with the Axis powers - as I'm sure you know the world would have been a much better place had this historic alliance destined to be forged been made, but as you know, the Allies and the Soviets have a way of ruining life for the future of our children....

I've spent most of my time in the movement in forums like the Pan-Aryan Alliance and before that the Pan-Aryan National Front, who's downfall is an ugly story I care not to recollect - but the important element here was emphasizing Aryanism. I will say that a great deal of time was wasted from arguments regarding who was Aryan, and just how Aryan - although all nationalities participated in this fruitless exercise, I found a great deal of strife in my friends from the Balkans, who seemed to use it politically due to recent history.

Because my own blood is descended from Scythians,  I have looked to them and the Sarmatians closest to find brethren in their descendents, but this is more an emotional connection I have. One of my best friends is German, who's grandfather was in the Luftwaffe by the way, and we've spent many days discussing our mutual connection to our Aryan ancestors, our linguistic links, our pagan links and the enemies that have sought to destroy us without discrimination.

The R1a haplogroup has offered significant guidance in the dispersion throughout Europe and is a good way to get at least an idea of where Aryans have reached if you are really interested in exploring that avenue.

 But know this - our bloodline is alive and well and in the hearts of us. Our numbers are small - and by our numbers, I mean the entire Caucasian race. We are severely outnumbered and spend too much infighting politically to make the kind of progress we need. My children will know their ancestors as I have known mine and I will disallow the corruption and defamation of our heritage to stand in my way. I urge you to do the same.


Aryanism is the key to solidifying our connections as we all have some connection to the horseman of the snowy steppes.

Hail our Victory.

[DasFraulein]

Hail our Victory. It is a long road to victory, but perhaps we can win it.

I apologize, I really haven't been here in a long while. Thanks for all the comments.

[Mikey]

Look. My skin color is white. I have hazel eyes and brown/black hair. I consider myself Aryan since I was born of a british father and an italian mother. I am proud of it too. thats my view of aryan.

[DasFraulein]

That's not completely true.

North or South Italy?

I know British Germans or British or German or Italian anything who are Jewish or non-Aryan, and I'm more Aryan than they are, being Scottish, British, Dutch, Roman, and a tad of French.

It's about structure too, not color.
Cheekbones, forehead, ears, chin, nose...
You can't say you're Aryan just because you're Brit-Italian.

Just saying.

[AfroNativeNS85]

Well you have 2 types of Aryans. Black Aryans and White Aryans. White Aryans are Nordic and Indoeuropean. Black Aryans are from Kemet or Anicent Egypt and Nubia, they traveled to Southern India and are mostly Dravidian Hindus and Moslems.


Negrititude and Dravidian Culture
 

Leopold Sedar Sengkor (President of Senegal) (Lecture delivered in Madras under the auspices of the International Institute of Tamil Studies on the 23rd May, 1974)

 

 

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 -------. Southern India is in the same latitude as Senegal, Mali, Niger, Chad, Sudan, Ethiopia and Somalia. More than this, only the Indian Ocean separates the eastern coast of Africa from the south of India. As a matter of fact, geologists maintain that the Indian sub continent was formerly attached to East Africa. In this respect the findings of marine biology are of outstanding importance.

 

All that is needed, therefore, is for archeologists and pre historians to have a chance to explore the depths of the seas, to discover old lithic industries or human skeleton fossils, in the area stretching from East Africa to Southern India. Unless, of course, the Indian Ocean existed long before the human race appeared. In any case, Tamil legends refer to the existence, from time immemorial, of flourishing cities long since buried beneath the seas.

 

This is perhaps a reference to that stretch of land which was supposed to have linked India and Africa and was presumably engulfed by the ocean during the Neolithic revolution, that is to say, the period of prehistory when Homo Sapiens achieved his ‘first revolution’, by laying the foundation of the recorded civilizations through new techniques he had invented. I should like in passing to note that it is not at all fortuitous that early civilizations which arose in the valleys of the Nile, the Tigris and Euphrates, and lastly of the Indus, bore the marks of black men.

 

It might, however, be quite simply a vague memory of the universal flood to which the cangkams tried to give a poetic interpretation in their oldest literary masterpieces, such as the Cillapatikaaram.

 

In any case, it is remarkable that the pithecanthrops - proconuls and australopithecs - who whilst not the ancestors of the human species, are zoologically their next of kin as infra and parahominins, proliferated simultaneously in East Africa and Southern India. Here is what Pierre Teilhard Chardin wrote in his book L’ Apparition de l’ Homme (The Appearance of man):

 

It was on a tropical and subtropical area of the Old World, an area which in fact extended across India to Malaysia, but basically located on the African continent, that the evolution of the higher primates gradually took place.”

 

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Thus re-stated, this theory would not be too much at variance with Islamic belief, which claims that Adam, the father of mankind, appeared in India and Awa, our maternal ancestor, in Southern Arabia, and that they met at Harafat. It is curious coincidence that attan is the word for ’father’ in Tamil (-n and -m being interchangeable in that language) and ava, the word for ‘mother’ in Kannada (avvai in Tamil, av in Kota, ave in Kodagu)

 

 

Origin of the Dravidian Race
 

We know that some anthropologists tried to identify the Dravidians with what is known as “the Mediterranean race’. Such a general label which conceals gaps in our knowledge of anthropology is indeed confusing -- I had said dangerous, since it could suggest an interpretation of the concept of race in terms of geographical demarcation, whereas the notions of race, when stripped of certainly accessory details boils down essentially to skin colour. This is the sense in which we speak of ‘black race’, ‘ white race’ or ‘yellow race’.

 

Consequently, it might have been less ambiguous, as some experts have done, to call that Mediterranean race the “Negroid race” , since its characteristics are precisely those of the blacks in general: an elongated skull, dark or brown skin, these two adjectives being quite often euphemisms for ‘black’ . I refer you to Alexander Moret’s description of the ancient Mediterraneans. This is the place to mention once again the fact that the ancient Greeks did not label as white the former inhabitants of North-West Africa, that is to say, of the present Magreb_Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia  -- since they called the inhabitants Mauroi or ‘moors’, meaning men with ‘ a dark skin’. And Herodotus tells us that the Colchidians, a Middle East people, were as ‘Black as Egyptians”

 

( Notes(Loga). In Tamil there is a term ‘maRavar, maaRan’ etc  a name of a group of Tamils especially in Pandiya country. It is interesting that the root ‘maRu’ also means black )

 

In any case, as I stated in a lecture I gave at Cairo University in February 1967, on the Foundations of Africanity or Negritude and Arabism, my professor at the Ethnological Institute in Paris, Dr. Paul Rivet, used to say: ‘ there is a ratio of 4 to 18 per cent black blood around the Mediterranean sea’. He thus referred to the Negroids of the early Paleolithic and Mesolithic - Grimaldi Man and Caspian Man --  an important group of the Mediterranean populations until the Neolithic.

 

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We shall not mention all the theories on the origins of the Dravidians, since the problem is still very much unsolved: we shall mention one only, namely, a black sub-race among the populations of Southern India. This said, we should not underrate the importance of the blood ties between Dravidians and the Black Africans , especially as the black Dravidian sub-race is the same as the black East African sub-race which is to be found in the same latitude. During my last visit to Addis Ababa, I was very much impressed with the large number of Ethiopians who, with their fine features, black skin and straight hair, look like Dravidians.  I mentioned this to the Emperor who, with a knowing air, merely smiled a royal smile.

 

In short, as we can see, the similarity between India and Black Africa, is essentially based on geography, anthropology and history.

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