DNA

[Steve-Hoog]

I'm curious to what some of your Halogroups and Subclades are if you know.

Since I have become interested in my ancestry and was very suspicious I had a connection to Germany that I could trace via my family tree; I decided to do a DNA test. Very fun stuff and I highly recomend it.

Anyway, I turned out to be a I1 M253 which very well could be from Northern Germany.

[creativeblue1978]

My bloodlines are English, Welsh, Scotch-Irish, and French. I had one great-great grandmother on my father's side who was a half Cherokee indian I've been told. I won't know for certain about that until I have a DNA test done. Not that that would change my opinion about nationalism or NS though. Do you recommend any DNA test in particular Steve-Hoog? Now that I'm driving a truck again I can afford to have it done. I heard they are expensive.

[Steve-Hoog]

CB

I have been using Ancestry.com and it's $100 for the 33 Y test; another that I have heard is highly recomended, National Geographic but I don't know the cost.

Here is some more on my deal, I am Anglo Saxon and I had no clue until this test:

I1. M253
The I1 subclade, defined by SNP M253 is prominent in Scandinavia and other Nordic countries, which includes Sweden (40-50%), Norway (40%), Finland (20%) and Denmark (40%). It is the most prevalent I subhaplogroup in Sweden and TMRCA estimates are 6,000-8,000 years ago. This is after the time when the glaciers are believed to have retreated from Fennoscandia. The Saami population around Lappland in the northern regions of Fennoscandia also has high levels of this subclade. I1 levels diminish moving in the eastern direction from Finland toward Russia and its frequency is low in other Eastern European regions (5-1%). This and additional information from mtDNA haplogroups has provided evidence that the Saami came from a Southern European source rather than from Siberia and the East.
The presence of haplogroup I1 in Scandinavia is linked with Viking (Norwegian or Danish) excursions in the North Atlantic and the dissemination of haplogroup I1 in England, Ireland, Scotland and Iceland. It is also found at high levels in Germany (~25%) and the Netherlands (~17%). Subclade I1 is associated with the Anglo-Saxons who were believed to be descendents of Celtic and Germanic groups emanating from the Low Countries and Frisia (areas near the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany and Denmark). Estimates of TMRCA for the Anglo-Saxon I1 subclade range from 1,500 to 4,000 years ago. There is also speculation that the spread of Anglo-Saxons (and subclade I1) to England took place through a land bridge, known as Doggerland that connected continental Europe to England around 10kya.

Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows:
I-M253 =>100%

Haplo-I Subclades and probabilities are as follows:
I-M253-ASgen =>85% I-M253-AS10 =>3% I-M253-T2 =>3% I-M253-1313 =>2% I-M253-EE =>1% I-L22-N =>1% I-L22-uN2 =>1% I-M253-AS2 =>1% I-M253-T13 =>1%

[creativeblue1978]

CB

I have been using Ancestry.com and it's $100 for the 33 Y test; another that I have heard is highly recomended, National Geographic but I don't know the cost.

Here is some more on my deal, I am Anglo Saxon and I had no clue until this test:

Thanks for the tidbit of information. I jotted them down on paper and will plan on pursuing further later.

That is very interesting. I think it is such a waste to let all peoples melt into one. Heritage and values is worth a lot. Thank Jewsus for the LNSG.

[creativeblue1978]

I was talking with my grandmother the other day Steve and she said that my great-great grandmother was a 1/4 Cherokee indian so that's better news than 1/2. It would still be interesting to find out what's true and what isn't though a DNA test analysis though.

[Steve-Hoog]

From what I can see the main and maybe only thing that matters; is the father to father and mother to mother, it looks like all the stuff in the middle is of little matter to the DNA.

[creativeblue1978]

From what I can see the main and maybe only thing that matters; is the father to father and mother to mother, it looks like all the stuff in the middle is of little matter to the DNA.

That's encouraging news. Glad to hear it. I guess it's not the end of the world. At least it's not African American DNA. That would ruin my day.

[Steve-Hoog]

Well don't hold your breath!

From what I understand there are three main groups (and I stress that I know VERY little so this could be way off):

1. And the main one; everyone on the planet has African genes except for one group, I1.
2. One group; Jews, have a distinct gene.
3. I1 has no African or Jewish genes.

For example a great number of Germanic people are R1b; but from what I understand they all have the African gene.

This information is only a small amount of what I have been told by other none experts and what I have read on the internet; at this point I only use this information to go "huh" and scratch my head in thought, until such time that I find some verifiable facts.

[creativeblue1978]

That's interesting. The truth is we all came from Africa originally.

I'm white with Celtic and Germanic blood and that's fine by me. I have blue eyes with brownish blonde hair and good genes. I'm proud of my heritage except for the Cherokee part. I can have nationalists feelings too. Ie I don't feel white nationalism has to be a loser. White pride world wide is what I think!

[Steve-Hoog]

Update:

Both of my boys are a 100% match Anglo Saxon.

[creativeblue1978]

Awesome dude! You have something to be proud of. :-)

[valken09 =Malaysian National Socialist=]

Both of my boys are a 100% match Anglo Saxon.

You must have been one of the luckiest fathers on the planet. May they grow  up to be fine individuals and lead a wonderful life!

The truth is we all came from Africa originally.

Hahaha! At least now  I believe someone actually believes in this theory!

[Steve-Hoog]

After finding out my mother lied 46 years about who my father was; testing my kids seemed needed.

I really need to get back on the study of my earlier findings that I1 does not have the African gene and all Jews have a similar gene.

[creativeblue1978]

Valken09. Yeah, I'm not an anthropologist or anything but I do believe that we all originated out of Africa. That doesn't make us equal and that doesn't mean that we should all promote multiculti but I still believe in the theory nonetheless. There is a reason why peoples divide and go their seperate ways... so there culture can flourish and go on to be unique. I also believe in intelligent design theory in case you were curious. The atheist view doesn't do anything for me. It also has flaws.

Blue~

[Steve-Hoog]

CB

Your Y-chromosome results identify you as a member of haplogroup  I1.

The genetic markers that define your ancestral history reach back roughly 60,000 years to the first common marker of all non-African men, M168, and follow your lineage to present day, ending with M253, the defining marker of haplogroup I1.

This is what I have seen several times on the net; I would be curious to know how accurate it is.

http://gen.culpepper.com/dna/history.htm