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Obergruppenfuhrer

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« on: October 23, 2009, 06:03:58 AM »

I look at the world today and am saddened by the fact that the Moslems appear to have quantified their lives by dying for their cause.

I personally have taken the blood oath:

"Ich schwöre Dir, Adolf Hitler, als germanischer Führer Treue und Tapferkeit. Ich gelobe Dir und den von Dir bestimmten Vorgesetzen Gehorsam bis den Tod, so wahr mir Gott helfe."

I remain prepared to risk my life in the pursuit of National Socialist ideals.

"It was reported that Hitler expressed his gratitude to those men who had taken the oath of loyalty"

Berlin, March 11, 1936

Be Strong Fellow Believers: Our time is nigh.
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2009, 06:45:14 AM »

Muslims being prepared to lose their lives saddens you yet you are prepared to lose your life for a cause? Do you apply the same set of standards to yourself as you do the Muslims?
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009, 09:56:51 AM »

For just a minute I shall resume my university lectureship, speaking on the topic of fundamentalism to a masters programme.

Fundamentalist principle is easily endowed upon a population, if the populace is warned to be wary of a particular group then it only requires evidence of such a group and the methodology is justified for any remedial action by the state.

On the other hand, good manners are everything
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2009, 04:23:49 AM »

That oath of loyalty you speak of sealed the fate of many of the Wehrmacht. I'm sure that oath of loyalty was cold comfort for those of the 6th Army that starve and froze to death at Stalingrad.

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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2009, 01:43:40 AM »

I was making a philosophical observation with my original comment.

As you make reference to Stalingrad, the 6th Army could have been saved were it not for some logistical and strategic blunders that had very little to do with the oath of loyalty. 

The fate of the 6th Army was facilitated by Prussian Wehrmacht general staff officers failing on many documented occasions to follow orders originally given by the RHSA office  that were subsequently delivered by SS officers. Such  internecine behavior was a problem for Germany from the beginning to the end of the Third Reich. I appreciated being challenged about my statements, but not about my honor.

I believe in National Socialism

Even if I make a hundred mistakes in practical matters, they would forgive me more easily for that than were I only once to deny the honor of the Movement or the principles of our struggle. Adolf Hitler, August 16th, 1932
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2009, 06:21:03 AM »

Obergruppenfuhrer said:

As you make reference to Stalingrad, the 6th Army could have been saved were it not for some logistical and strategic blunders that had very little to do with the oath of loyalty.  

The fate of the 6th Army was facilitated by Prussian Wehrmacht general staff officers failing on many documented occasions to follow orders originally given by the RHSA office  that were subsequently delivered by SS officers. Such  internecine behavior was a problem for Germany from the beginning to the end of the Third Reich. I appreciated being challenged about my statements, but not about my honor.


Hitler blamed the General Staff for his losses and took credit for their victories. Hitler severely underestimated the strength of his opponent when he commenced with Barbarossa. The U.S.S.R. was not a rotten structure that would come crumbling down after the door had been kicked, as Hitler had foolishly suggested.

Heinz Guderian had warned Hitler that an invasion of Russia was madness. Guderian was relieved from his position on the General Staff when he ignored Hitler's 'Stand Fast' order and retreated. Guderian believed that if Moscow hadn't been taken by the summer of '41 then Germany would lose the war. Guderian was right. Guderian was reinstated as Inspector of Armour  after the Stalingrad debacle - Hitler had realised that he had made a mistake and that Guderian was right from the outset.

If Hitler had of let the 6th Army retreat from Stalingrad then they would have been able to survive the winter. As you may well know Goering tried to supply them by air but failed miserably.

If Hitler had of listened to the General Staff more often then those brave young German men of the 6th Army would have been saved more pain and suffering and death than you could hope to imagine.



91,000 Wehrmacht surrendered to the victorious bolshevik horde. 6,000 returned to Germany in the late 1950's.


Antony Beevor's book Stalingrad gives a fair account of what happened - it's light reading compared to some of the other books on the battle.
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2009, 07:52:00 AM »

Discussion of such matters is important as it is often not recognised that many 'Hitlergrams' were in fact authored by Bormann without reference to the Fuhrer, anyway by this time Morel and the others had our leader craving for methamphetamine which eventually led to psychosis, no wonder Hitler could not appreciate the realities of the 6th Army's plight, after all he had been advised by his astrologers  to ignore Napolean's experience.

Beware the traitors within for they are the men we wish to keep close, our brethren we do not need to observe for they are of the faith.

Post war analysis of the situation faced by von Paulus now lead us to the inevitable conclusion that the red tab general staff were too preoccupied with their egotism and arrogance than to consider the poor bastards of the 6th Army.

I appreciate your remarks Haushofer, but implore you to look beyond what some history may record.

I too have read Stalingrad, and a long time before that I read Sven Hassel's account, I know which one is more realistic.



"I alone bear the responsibility for Stalingrad!

I could perhaps say that Göring gave me an incorrect picture of the possibilities for the Luftwaffe’s providing aerial supplies and, thus, roll off at least part of the responsibility onto him.

But he is my successor, whom I have appointed myself, and that is why I cannot burden him with the responsibility for Stalingrad". Adolf Hitler, February 7th, 1943
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