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« on: November 03, 2009, 08:20:16 PM »

Bear with me here; not trying to be offensive in the slightest but I don't know if or when or where I might hit a nerve.

Okay so:

- How can radical nationalism possibly work in a world like ours? Multiple ethnic groups and peoples make their presence felt in numerous locations, claiming rights to land, rights to heritage, etc. etc. But how far can this possibly go, and how can a nationalist system truly work globally, or even in a single country? The United States is aptly named the "melting pot of the world". The land of Canaan is supposed to be the holy place of heritage and worship for both Jews and Muslims. Africans have spread across the globe and have rooted themselves in varying locales as a result of their legacy of slavery; Africans in say, Kenya, are considered separate from African Americans who have entirely different culture and value traits. How and where are these people supposed to establish homogeneous countries? How is the United States supposed to be of white "American" heritage when it had natives and when most of the early settlers were English and would thus belong in England?

- In the event of global nationalization based on race, how are these countries supposed to cooperate with each other? And in their establishment, who decides who is allotted what lands and resources? The likelihood of gross imbalances is great, and the divisive qualities extreme. While I cannot say having pride in your heritage is a bad thing, doesn't total division prevent unified progress? Is an "Intercultural Space Station" supposed to be possible? How can mankind advance in any large degree if each faction is too preoccupied with itself, and is willing to back-stab another group for the sake of their own? If Nazi Germany survived and burgeoned and became a technological superpower, is that really a balanced world where every country with its own nationalities and races can pursue their interests, when that single country with its handful of races can step on everyone else? Given the race ideology, it's "survival of the fittest", so I guess that sounds ideal, but it wouldn't be ideal if it was your race that was being nuked into oblivion, would it?

- What is the reason for the stigma of the individual? Why is a massive, collective mind considered ideal? A charismatic leader is an individual; Hitler's personality was praised. Why not anyone elses'? Collective bodies are easily manipulated by the powers at the top. This leads to horrible travesties and abuses of power, as it would in any government, but one this centralized would affect the entire nation; it isn't a scandal with a single minister, it would be a massive policy decision that winds up being detrimental to the entire citizen body.


No government has been perfect, and none probably will. "Democracy", or more like Republicanism, has clearly shown its marks of corruptibility and inefficiency. But the less centralized the government, the less damage is done by corruption. Doesn't National Socialism set the entire society up to be abused too easily? Is it really as practical as I've seen it described?
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 06:26:21 PM »

in my opinian also not trying to hit ant neveres here  its not the race that we hate it is the lifestlyes that the race promotes, ive been beat up on the street for my 30$ shoes take a guess at the races that where there black/black/white ....guess who did the majority of the kicking evan after they had my shoes the white boy with the flat bill hat....i dislike white boys that try to live the blackmans life style worse b/c they seem to think they have somthing to prove

i am new to forum so this is mainly my voice take it how u like
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 07:01:04 PM »

in my opinian also not trying to hit ant neveres here  its not the race that we hate it is the lifestlyes that the race promotes, ive been beat up on the street for my 30$ shoes take a guess at the races that where there black/black/white ....guess who did the majority of the kicking evan after they had my shoes the white boy with the flat bill hat....i dislike white boys that try to live the blackmans life style worse b/c they seem to think they have somthing to prove
But now it's hating race as opposed to wanting them to mind their own business? And lifestyles that a race promotes? It sounds like you got mugged by a bunch of worthless punks on some street corner. It happens; people like that exist. True, in the African American community there's some kind of "gangster" idea floating about, and there's "wiggers" who attempt to emulate it. But what about the Black doctor? Or the Black officer in the Air Force? Or the Black college student just trying to pass a difficult course while everyone boozes it up and parties all night? Are they following this role? Are they hunting down people like you to mug and steal your shoes? The decision to act out the role of a delinquent like that can't be linked to race, it has to be a conscientious decision, brought on by personal choice (affected by peer pressure to a degree based on the individual). You said yourself, there were White guys in the gang as well. If it were purely race-based wouldn't they be ethically unable to do that with them? I was under the impression the "gangsta" attitude was a cultural phenomena, characteristic of city and suburban youth, that's branched out across all different races and creeds or whatever denomination you wish to choose. Admittedly it's a horrible cultural trait but it is what it is, and it's one that began in the United States; no African shaman told the world to go mug people for shoes. It's rather endemic to African American youth but it by no means is restricted to them, as they've become as much a part of the mainstream society as the rest of us. Hell, ever seen Gran Torino? Korean, Chinese, Black, White, all of them were punks like the ones who attacked you, not just one group based on race but a group in of themselves: Losers.
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 02:48:47 PM »

a group of losers that are made that way by nwa rap songs and a whole mentality that they dont have to work
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 02:58:39 PM »

USA tumbles into third world status

Mar 28th, 2009 by Brett Stevens.
We’ve been saying for a while here at Amerika that the USA is going to go third world from a series of factors:

■Destruction of culture by commerce.
■Corruption in government, thanks to a clueless electorate and powerful media.
■Decay into illusory behavior thanks to democracy and wish fulfillment entertainment.
■Third world-style breeding habits.
■Reckless consumer and government debt.
■Destruction of culture by multiculturalism/globalism.

Now we’re starting to see those 500 lb bombs of concepts make craters here in realityland, and while it’s not happy to see, it’s fun to watch reality send a giant YOU WERE WRONG to the doubters.

Exhibit A:

I still recall the shock I felt at a meeting in Russia’s dingy Ministry of Finance, where I finally realized how a handful of young oligarchs were bringing Russia’s economy to ruin in the pursuit of their own selfish interests, despite the supposed brilliance of Anatoly Chubais, Russia’s economic czar at the time.

At the time, I could not imagine that anything remotely similar could happen in the United States. Indeed, I shared the American conceit that most emerging-market nations had poorly developed institutions and would do well to emulate Washington and Wall Street. These days, though, I’m hardly so confident. Many economists and analysts are worrying that the United States might go the way of Japan, which suffered a “lost decade” after its own real estate market fell apart in the early 1990s. But I’m more concerned that the United States is coming to resemble Argentina, Russia and other so-called emerging markets, both in what led us to the crisis, and in how we’re trying to fix it.

But instead of facing our problems we extol the resilience of the U.S. economy, praise the most productive workers in the world, and go on and on about America’s inherent ability to extricate itself from any crisis. And we ignore our proclivity as a nation to spend, year in year out, more than we produce, to put off dealing with long-term problems, and to engage in grandiose long-term programs that as a nation we can ill afford.

WAPO

He makes a good case. We are ruled by oligarchs, as Plato predicted in The Republic, because we have allowed a Revolution to empower our know-nothings and these, newly liberal to support the revolution, have done everything they can to wreck our cultural infrastructure, prompting cultural and class war. This started in 1789, and peaked in 1968; 2008’s election was symbolic but actually not all that radical given what happened in the four decades before.

We are told that history is not cyclic; that America has discovered a new form of Progress and we’re heading from Neanderthal ignorance to an enlightened liberal Utopia. Yet history repeats itself because reality is consistent; the same action gets the same response, every time, and so when we make unrealistic plans, they fail the same way every time.

Here’s another example:

The Khmer Rouge leaders were off to a head start when the amnesty came, having amassed mini-fortunes during their days as guerrillas through smuggling of timber, gems and antiques to Thailand. Now, the upper echelons own some of the poshest houses and cars in the provinces of Pailin, Preah Vihear, Battambang, Banteay Meanchey and Oddar Meancheay — Cambodia’s Khmer Rouge country.

Some have sunk into gross corruption and engage in activities, like gambling, which would have earned them summary execution in the old days. And they have certainly ditched their ideal of a classless society.

In Anlong Veng, a two-class system appears to have emerged: the rich businessmen and government officials living in town and former low-ranking soldiers who barely survive on arid land they don’t own in the surrounding countryside. Thus the town witnessed both the final military defeat of the Khmer Rouge and the death of its ideals.

AP

When leadership goes away, and it gets handed to the people, idiocy reigns because few people are ready to make political decisions with long-range consequences — and even fewer care to do the basic research required to do it well. The result is that people vote for whatever is popular, and cynical bastards quickly figure that out and promise the sky, delivering instead repression.

Plato predicted that, too.

But inevitably, emerging-market oligarchs get carried away; they waste money and build massive business empires on a mountain of debt. Local banks, sometimes pressured by the government, become too willing to extend credit to the elite and to those who depend on them. Overborrowing always ends badly, whether for an individual, a company, or a country. Sooner or later, credit conditions become tighter and no one will lend you money on anything close to affordable terms.

The downward spiral that follows is remarkably steep. Enormous companies teeter on the brink of default, and the local banks that have lent to them collapse. Yesterday’s “public-private partnerships” are relabeled “crony capitalism.” With credit unavailable, economic paralysis ensues, and conditions just get worse and worse. The government is forced to draw down its foreign-currency reserves to pay for imports, service debt, and cover private losses. But these reserves will eventually run out. If the country cannot right itself before that happens, it will default on its sovereign debt and become an economic pariah. The government, in its race to stop the bleeding, will typically need to wipe out some of the national champions—now hemorrhaging cash—and usually restructure a banking system that’s gone badly out of balance. It will, in other words, need to squeeze at least some of its oligarchs.

In its depth and suddenness, the U.S. economic and financial crisis is shockingly reminiscent of moments we have recently seen in emerging markets (and only in emerging markets): South Korea (1997), Malaysia (1998), Russia and Argentina (time and again). In each of those cases, global investors, afraid that the country or its financial sector wouldn’t be able to pay off mountainous debt, suddenly stopped lending. And in each case, that fear became self-fulfilling, as banks that couldn’t roll over their debt did, in fact, become unable to pay. This is precisely what drove Lehman Brothers into bankruptcy on September 15, causing all sources of funding to the U.S. financial sector to dry up overnight. Just as in emerging-market crises, the weakness in the banking system has quickly rippled out into the rest of the economy, causing a severe economic contraction and hardship for millions of people.

But there’s a deeper and more disturbing similarity: elite business interests—financiers, in the case of the U.S.—played a central role in creating the crisis, making ever-larger gambles, with the implicit backing of the government, until the inevitable collapse. More alarming, they are now using their influence to prevent precisely the sorts of reforms that are needed, and fast, to pull the economy out of its nosedive. The government seems helpless, or unwilling, to act against them.

The Atlantic

As years pass since their founding date, every society degenerates through a process of entropy. Things fall apart. People forget the original reasons for things, and uphold the appearance of the past. They do their best to carry on the dogma but as they garble it, it loses relevance. In come new people, from abroad and born domestically, who do not share the older culture; it is replaced by the lowest common denominator between them all, which is commerce, entertainment, sex/intoxication and denial.

The denial ramps up, and the further it goes, the worse things get, usually in the form of socialized costs passed on to others. The society goes into arrogant, passive aggressive denial, claiming it has ended history and moved forward to be a new, enlightened, Progressive nation. But problems remain and proliferate.

Finally, the drones turn on the bourgeois, and new leaders intervene. They’re like Jesus or Marx, all about peace and equality. But first they need a military unit loyal to their command. From there, it’s easy to make the nation into a dictatorship, and it’s probably more functional that way.

And what will happen, while this is going on? Do The People take to the streets and overthrow the government? Do they educate themselves and make more sensible choices.

No way. People will remain checked out of reality in their virtual worlds:

Adult Americans spend an average of more than eight hours a day in front of screens — televisions, computer monitors, cellphones or other devices, according to a new study.

The study also found that live television in the home continues to attract the greatest amount of viewing time with the average American spending slightly more than five hours a day in front of the tube.

The figure drops to 210 minutes a day of average TV viewing time among 18-24 year olds but rises to 420 minutes a day among those aged 65 and older.

Breitbart

History repeats itself. This is how all nations fall.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 03:00:26 PM »

Without nationalism, humanity as a whole will cease to exist...period...
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2009, 01:14:17 PM »

Without nationalism, humanity as a whole will cease to exist...period...
Just because you say so, in spite of a great deal of evidence, and durr, several thousand years of history?
Even anarchy is quite clearly completely functional (I don't mean conflict anarchy I just mean no government or taxes in a peaceful place) and at worst just yields much worse results for the lower classes  than other options.
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2009, 03:49:28 PM »

Agreed, a lack of nationalism, which is to say emotional ties to a nationality, 'could' lead to either nothing (as in, people see themselves in reference to Earth or humanity as opposed to race or country) or perhaps anarchy, but that would be a loss of civilization as we know it, not human beings.
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2009, 04:15:06 PM »


 Adult Americans spend an average of more than eight hours a day in front of screens — televisions, computer monitors, cellphones or other devices, according to a new study.


I spend an average of 8 to 10 hrs a day behind the wheel of a commercial vehicle. The rest of my time I either spend reading, on the internet, or sleeping. I welcome the fall of the U.S. Interesting article Adrian.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2009, 04:28:19 PM »

Agreed, a lack of nationalism, which is to say emotional ties to a nationality, 'could' lead to either nothing (as in, people see themselves in reference to Earth or humanity as opposed to race or country) or perhaps anarchy, but that would be a loss of civilization as we know it, not human beings.

I don't feel I'm qualified to preech about NS but I think it's more dynamic and/or ascendant than anarchism - similar to truth. Collective will power is meaningless without values. Everything we're discussing boils down to and will always come back to values. Values determines a function. Values to help guide us and values to help shape our way of thinking so we can better decide how we might want to govern ourselves.    
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2009, 06:24:27 PM »

a group of losers that are made that way by nwa rap songs and a whole mentality that they dont have to work
Rap songs might support it or inspire it but they chose to be that way, and aren't necessarily "made" that way since there are plenty of other cultures, values, and roles in the world to draw from, as opposed to being stuck in a single room with nothing but this rap music for their entire lives. They're a group of losers, granted, but how can that be attributed to race when there are so many examples of the opposite?
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2009, 02:12:38 PM »

Yeah, but cultures and peoples tend to cling to eachother in clannish ways naturally if left alone. It's the media and the entertainment industry as well as the schools and all of the other liberal organizations that promote race-mixing and intermingling that we have the confusion that we do have today. Diversity and multiculturalism is seen as okay and that's why it's so prevalent. That's just my opinion anyway.
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2009, 08:38:18 PM »

When left alone they essentially become cloistered, so ganging together is only natural. But in other groups, like these delinquents, ganging together is just as natural in their own subgroup of the greater society; to say that it is a result of race or culture intermingling is essentially to say that these kinds of people and their crimes would not exist otherwise, yet crime has existed since the dawn of civilization, cloistered groups included. This confusion you speak of, I take it it has to do with confusion over identity? But the problem is everybody is an individual, and can identify themselves with virtually any group at any time. Nazi ideology doesn't think this way, but in my estimation humans are humans, so race becomes an exponent that has little to do with the mind of the individual in these modern times when I can talk to somebody like you across untold distances instantaneously. Race and culture intermingling has already occurred and will most likely always continue to occur, so in order for Nazi ideology in its most basic form to be acceptable to a significant proportion of the masses you'd have to sever all ties and in essence regress technologically and socially from what has already been established.
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