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Author Topic: You people insult islam.  (Read 145 times)
AlSihkJbar

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« on: November 06, 2009, 05:27:11 AM »

YOU COME OUR FORUM AND INSULT US? YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO HUMANITY. WORTHLESS RACISTS.

We are a religion of peace and understanding, and this is how you treat us?

DO NOT COME BACK TO www.ummah.com again you worthless skinheads.
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LG

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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2009, 02:01:19 PM »

(Not a Nazi for the record)

It's rather terrible that Islam has been typecast as being made up of "towelheaded terrorists", however I must admit what is equally terrible is that in the Middle East there is a trend of 100% orthodox Islam, which winds up being so literal that a thief has his hands chopped off. I cannot agree with that kind treatment, it's against my ethical and moral standards, but if that's your culture I guess it's none of my business; just don't do it to people who wish to live outside of it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2009, 08:51:43 PM »

Quote from: AlSihkJbar
YOU COME OUR FORUM AND INSULT US? YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO HUMANITY. WORTHLESS RACISTS.

We are a religion of peace and understanding, and this is how you treat us?

DO NOT COME BACK TO www.ummah.com again you worthless skinheads.

I find your posting deliciously ironic. If I understand correctly, you are accusing these skinheads of persistently engaging in the following negative behavioral patterns:

1. Denying your worth--human dignity---as a being created in the image of God (Allah). By doing this, they are shutting out opportunities for dialogue that might be beneficial to their evolution as persons---and perhaps to Muslims’ evolution as well.

2.  Refusing to take the time to form an accurate picture of Islamic ideals, before criticizing them.

Both of these are clearly not acceptable.

I was raised Christian, but I’m going through a skeptical (intensely rationalist) phase now. Still, some of the things I learned from my Christian training have stuck. For example, the church in which I was (and technically still am) a member admonishes us as part of the ceremony of baptism to “strive for justice and peace among all people, and respect the dignity of every human being.” Treating others with honor should be common sense.

And never be ye joyful, save when ye behold your brother with love – Jesus of Nazareth (as reported in a fragment from “The Gospel of the Hebrews”)

One of the first things we learn on this planet is that we are not omniscient. We are constantly growing and evolving, moving eternally (and imperfectly) toward truth.
One of my favorite quotes deals with this. It runs:

I do not know what is untried and afterward
But I know it is sure, and alive, and sufficient.
Walt Whitman, Song of Myself (“Leaves of Grass”, 1855)

 To short-circuit the evolutionary process by one’s own assurance that one knows everything after a mere glance at the data in our world of life and ever-changing existences is among the biggest mistakes one could possibly make.

I am a non-Nazi/non-Fascist. Please understand that.  However, it seems to me that you are making the same sort of mistakes you’re so eager to point out when they occur in skinheads.

1. You seem to deny the possibility that there are honorable Nationalists, thus disregarding their dignity as human beings.

You are judging that the Nazis and Fascists here are “worthless” and “a disgrace to humanity” based on previous discussions on ummah.com. Interesting to note that prejudice means “judging before” (before one has looked at the evidence relevant to a given case). Also, nobody on the Nationalist Forums has (as far as I know) any idea where to access these discussions. Would you mind providing links to them? Treat others as you would wish to be treated.

2. You have failed to engage in dialogue with forum members in order to form an accurate idea of their beliefs.

The political beliefs of the people on this board are not uniform.  Many different viewpoints are represented here. However, for the purposes of this discussion I will provide a short list of links which you may refer to if you wish to learn more about sort of National Socialism the writers of the LNSG website believe in. Hopefully, they will help promote a spirit of peace and understanding in future interactions. Here you go:

http://www.nazi.org/nazi/
http://www.nazi.org/library/nsdap/
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/national_socialism/
http://www.nazi.org/library/
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/policy/speer/
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/policy/anti-semitism/
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/policy/medievalism/
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/policy/2006/
http://www.nazi.org/library/environment/
http://www.nazi.org/library/race/
http://www.nazi.org/library/books/

Finally, if there are certain Nazis whose ideas about Islam appear inaccurate and biased to you, what would you suggest the said Nazis do to lessen the frequency of inaccuracies?
-Mindfrost321
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